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103327 No. 103327
Continuation of >>102469

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"Well, actually, I have a..." date, is what you almost find yourself saying, changing your mind at the very last moment, either because you don't want Rumia to get any devious ideas, or out of a boyish shyness/uncertainty. Assuring yourself that it's more than likely the former, you resume speaking.
"...previously agreed upon meeting with someone, today. And I probably won't be back home until Monday, either."

"Ehhh!? But, but..." Seeing her pout like that, you're not sure whether you feel some sort of triumphant glee over the little devil, a sense of regret over hurting her feelings, or flattered that a girl would get upset over not being able to spend time with you.
Granted, the girl in question would probably find it an enjoyable pastime to kill and eat you, were she permitted to do so. Either that or find some other way to pick on you for her own enjoyment; at least she's limited to non-lethal methods for the time being, and you're gradually becoming used to physical punishment from having random crazy girls pounce you to the ground every other day.

Yeah, maybe Rumia isn't that bad after all.

"Well, I suppose we could do something to kill time until she gets here..."

"...Mmm, I suppose so~"
Doesn't stay sad long, does she. Rotating herself on your bed to face in your direction, head resting on her hands and kicking her legs through the air idly, her face takes on that sly smirk you've come to dread, eyes narrowing just a tiny bit.
"Got any fun ideas, then? And they better be good, or I'm going to stalk you when you leave~"

"I seriously don't think that'd be a good idea," you blurt out involuntarily, thinking of something you two could possibly do in a house that has no internet or game consoles. You might want to check if Kourindou happens to have anything like that lying around for cheap, sometime... Your host family's house -does- have electricity, after all. So, what could you do with the girl in your bed?

...

"...Bedtop sports for indoor types..." Haha. With Rumia? Even if she's kind of cute... No. She'd probably end up biting something off.

"Bedtop... sports..?" Oh, fuck, did you just say that out loud?
"What's that? Like wrestling or something?" Tilting her head at you curiously, Rumia instantly brings you relief with her obliviousness to the meaning behind the silly phrase that had escaped your lips just now.

"...Yes, sort of like wrestling, I suppose. In a way. Kind of." This feels a little awkward.

"Hehee, sounds fun~! Wanna wrestle, then?"

Rejecting the overly excited monster girl with various dismissive hand gestures, you shake your head.
"No, thank you. You'd crush me, and probably bite my nose off as your prize or something." She sticks her tongue out at you in response, before giggling mischievously. You sigh softly; doesn't this girl have any other hobbies besides harassing you? Ah well, she's probably just lonely. You can understand that; after all, when you first arrived in Gensokyo, you were afraid of not being able to fit in, being the only male in the class. Only through lucky seating choices were you able to hit it off with the Scarlet sisters from day one. You can't take such things for granted - Rumia could simply be bad at expression her true feelings, a sad girl reaching out for friends, a family...

...or you could just be really, really naive, but at least you'll feel better in any case, right?

"Say," you exclaim all of a sudden, remembering something from earlier this week; that's right, you've only known Rumia as anything more than a predator for under a week, haven't you? All the more reason not to judge her as too harshly as a person.
"I still have to draw that portrait of you. Remember? Hang on, let me get my sketchbook..."

An overly loud yawn is heard from behind you as you rummage through your belongings, digging out the sketchbook and a pencil.
"Psh, what, I'm supposed to just sit around and not move? That sounds booooriiiiing... Broooooooo...~"

Naturally, you ignore her whining and tell her to sit down and stay still.
"If you're a good girl, I'll spend some time with you during the next schoolweek. Okay?" She's still pouting, but at least her defiance seems to have been broken, the girl sitting upright on your bed with a frown on her face.
"Don't look at me. And try not to look so glum, okay? Cheer up... Don't you usually have some sort of wicked, sinister grin on your face when you're around me, plotting how to make my life a living hell?" You keep your tone of voice joking and non-serious, more a friendly mocking than anything; Rumia's pout merely grows more severe in response to your comments, and she glances aside, avoiding your gaze and mumbling something near-silently.

"...Dummy."

You're already sketching away furiously, barely noticing what she just said; despite her mannerisms and personality, there's a certain... charm to Rumia, that you can't quite place your finger on. A vicious little monster, in the shape of an adorable little girl, the very image of innocence. Despite not looking much younger than you in general, the slightly rounder shape of her face gives her a certain childlike appeal. The sheer contrast of her personality and looks is what drives your pencil, catching her innocent side on paper, her devious nature not tainting the look in her eyes.
"Hmm?"

"I'm not trying to turn your life into a living hell. Are you that dense?"

Your jaw drops a little, but you maintain your composure and resume your drawing. Surprisingly enough, Rumia is holding still like a good girl.
"...What -are- you trying to pull with your constant tricks, then?"

Still pouting furiously, she opens her mouth to respond, and yet a different voice interrupts her from outside of the room.

"Jin? Are you awake? It's me!"

Flandre.

Rumia seems awfully tense all of a sudden. So do you, come to think of it; no, no, calm down. Damn it, Flandre is not a freaking walking field of danger, this sort of thing shouldn't happen every single day! Rumia is already looking for a suitable place to hide, apparentl not in the same mindset as you.



[] Where do you hide the little monster?
-{} Under the bed.
-{} In the closet.
-{} Let her out of the window.
[] No, no hiding.
-{} Just keep drawing calmly. Nobody interrupts your drawing!
--{} Ask Flandre to join Rumia in the picture. You haven't drawn her yet, either.
-{} Invite Flandre in and get the two to set aside their differences and make up already. You don't want your friends to resent one another.
--{} (Optional: Write-in dialogue so the writefag doesn't pull something weak out of his ass.)

>> No. 103330
[] No, no hiding.
--{} Ask Flandre to join Rumia in the picture. You haven't drawn her yet, either.
>> No. 103331
[] No, no hiding.
--{} Ask Flandre to join Rumia in the picture. You haven't drawn her yet, either.
>> No. 103334
I say this could be a very good chance, if not rare chance, that we could squash the issue of Rumia and Flandre bad first impressions...

[x] No, no hiding.
-{x} Invite Flandre in and get the two to set aside their differences and make up already.

It is one of the many things that we must tell her as well as Remilia but a little later. The less troubles Flandre has the better as well as for Rumia.

I just have this in mind:

[X]Tell Rumia to wait here:
-[X]Greet Flandre and prepare her for one of the many thing's he wanted to tell her, "Hey Flandre I suppose this is a good time as any but I want you to at least be prepared because I didn't think this could happen as well. I managed to talk to Rumia into not, um... eating me but as proposed, we'd have small challenges against one another like chess and other things. This time however she won and is now getting a portrait done. I was not sure when you'd arrive but perhaps if you'd like, would you like for me to start a portrait of you as well?"

It's way to wordy imo so suggestions/simplifying are very welcomed.
>> No. 103335
[x] No, no hiding.
-{x} Invite Flandre in and get the two to set aside their differences and make up already. You don't want your friends to resent one another.
--{x} If all goes well then ask her to join in the drawing.

>"I'm not trying to turn your life into a living hell. Are you that dense?"

Sidenote:
[x] Ask Rumia when we have a moment with her what she's up to exactly if not trying to make our life hell.

Since it's a good point since that biting incident made things difficult as hell.

But you did good, Taisa, you did good.
>> No. 103337
[x] No, no hiding.
-{x} Invite Flandre in and get the two to set aside their differences and make up already. You don't want your friends to resent one another.
--{x} If all goes well then ask her to join in the drawing.
--{x} Tell Flandre you still want to do a solo picture of her later too.

[x] Ask Rumia when we have a moment with her what she's up to exactly if not trying to make our life hell.
>> No. 103338
[x] No, no hiding.
-[x] Invite Flandre in and get the two to set aside their differences and make up already. You don't want your friends to resent one another.
--[x] Ask Flandre to join Rumia in the picture. You haven't drawn her yet, either.
-[x] Be casual about it all. There are no misunderstandings, here.
>> No. 103340
[x] No, no hiding.
-[x] Invite Flandre in and get the two to set aside their differences and make up already. You don't want your friends to resent one another.
--[x] Ask Flandre to join Rumia in the picture. You haven't drawn her yet, either.
-[x] Be casual about it all. There are no misunderstandings, here.

What could possibly go wrong?
>> No. 103341
[x] No, no hiding.
-{x} Invite Flandre in and get the two to set aside their differences and make up already. You don't want your friends to resent one another.
--{x} If all goes well then ask her to join in the drawing.
--{x} Tell Flandre you still want to do a solo picture of her later too.

[x] Ask Rumia when we have a moment with her what she's up to exactly if not trying to make our life hell.
>> No. 103342
[x] No, no hiding.
-{x} Invite Flandre in and get the two to set aside their differences and make up already. You don't want your friends to resent one another.
--{x} If all goes well then ask her to join in the drawing.
--{x} Tell Flandre you still want to do a solo picture of her later too.

[x] Ask Rumia when we have a moment with her what she's up to exactly if not trying to make our life hell.

Inb4 fire and explosions.
>> No. 103344
[X] Where do you hide the little monster?
-{X} In the closet.
--{X} Tell Flandre through the door that you're not quite ready yet, and if she wouldn't mind waiting for you downstairs you'll be down in a minute or so.

Not that I don't agree with the idea of getting Rumia and Flan to at least be on civil terms with each other, but have you forgotten? Jin was bleeding like a stuck pig when he woke up, and while he may have cleaned the blood of himself, there's still probably enough left soaked into his futon for Flandre to smell it.

So, you have Flandre walking into Jin's room to see the girl who tried to kill him, and the smell of blood in the air.

I'm inclined to trust Rumia's sense of self-preservation in this case, which at the moment seems to be telling her "HOLY FUCKBALLS HIDE".
>> No. 103345
[x] No, no hiding.
-{x} Invite Flandre in and get the two to set aside their differences and make up already. You don't want your friends to resent one another.
--{x} If all goes well then ask her to join in the drawing.
--{x} Tell Flandre you still want to do a solo picture of her later too.
>> No. 103346
>>103344

I think Jin and Rumia considered that angle during the time together (last thing they need is that)

I doubt Taisa is that big of a troll to do that.
>> No. 103347
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103347
[X] No, no hiding.
-[X] Invite Flandre in and get the two to set aside their differences and make up already. You don't want your friends to resent one another.
--[X] Ask Flandre to join Rumia in the picture. You haven't drawn her yet, either.

>Ask Rumia when we have a moment with her what she's up to exactly if not trying to make our life hell.

I have to echo Rumia here: are you that dense?
>> No. 103350
>>103340
Nothing. Nothing at all.

[x] No, no hiding.
-[x] Invite Flandre in and get the two to set aside their differences and make up already. You don't want your friends to resent one another.
--[x] Ask Flandre to join Rumia in the picture. You haven't drawn her yet, either.
-[x] Be casual about it all. There are no misunderstandings, here.
>> No. 103352
>>103347

It's not a matter of denseness, if she didn't bite us that one day, then the rest of the day and the day after would have gone better.

She was going to answer us before the interruption. But that remark has made be slightly sympathetic towards her.
>> No. 103357
>>103352

Wow. You really are that dense.

She harasses Jin because she's fond of him. She probably wasn't even thinking about what might happen after she bit him.
>> No. 103360
>>103357
I think she was, and she did it to screw with Jin's relationship with Flandre in the hopes of having him all to herself.

[+] Where do you hide Rumia?
-[+] In the closet.
--[+] Tell Flandre through the door that you're not quite ready yet, and if she wouldn't mind waiting for you downstairs you'll be down in a minute or so.

The way I figure it, we can spill about the Rumia thing along with the rest of the important bits over the weekend. There's nothing untoward going on, at least on Jin's part, but at the same time, there's no point in getting a date started on the wrong foot.
>> No. 103362
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103362
>>103360
>she did it to screw with Jin's relationship with Flandre in the hopes of having him all to herself

Eh, one blonde-haired red-eyed nutjob is as good as another.
>> No. 103363
>>103360

Screwing with that is a good way to get Gensokyo nuked.

Rumia isn't messing around with fire, she's playing with a anti-matter bomb.
>> No. 103364
[x] No, no hiding.
-[x] Invite Flandre in and get the two to set aside their differences and make up already. You don't want your friends to resent one another.
--[x] Ask Flandre to join Rumia in the picture. You haven't drawn her yet, either.
-[x] Be casual about it all. There are no misunderstandings, here.

No use hiding the hungry youkai, Flan will smell her.
>> No. 103365
>>103360

>I think she was, and she did it to screw with Jin's relationship with Flandre in the hopes of having him all to herself.

I think you're paranoid, so I guess we're even.
>> No. 103375
>>103363
Well, she's not bright in that regard, I guess. Or maybe she's getting a little too jealous to think straight; her "rival"/big brother/secret crush hasn't been spending much time with her recently.
>> No. 103378
>She probably wasn't even thinking about what might happen after she bit him.

>"So, bro... How's that hand of yours?"

>"Eh? What do you-..."

>She grips your wrist with enough strength to cause a considerable amount of pain, twisting it until you're completely in her control, pulling your hand up to the level of her face; her grin just spreads wider and wider as she looks at your mangled fingers.

>"Getting along well with Flandre, aren't you~?"

>"H-hey, shut up, she didn't-..." Wait. Did Rumia plan this?
>"...Was that your intention?"

>As if you'd triggered something within the twisted girl on top of you, her face suddenly draws closer, a mere inch or two from yours.
>"Teehee~ And what if it was? And what if I was trying to get you to see her as the bloodsucker she really is? You know... Humans are supposed to be afraid of youkai. Vampires, demons, undead, monsters... Attacking humans is a youkai's job. If humans are no longer afraid of us, then that's just no good, right? Tell me... Were you afraid of her when she did this to you? Did you fear for your life? Did you see her as a monster?"
>> No. 103380
Tsunderumia? Oh wow, do want.
[X] No, no hiding.
[X] Ask Flan to wait just a minute while you finish

Uh, dialogue... bleh....
I have no idea.
>> No. 103384
Even if Rumia intentionally tried to get Flandre to bite him, I wonder if her reason for doing so was possibly to try to protect Jin in her own particular, nutty way.

As it has been repeatedly noted, Jin does not exhibit anywhere near the level of fear as one would expect of a sane, rational person in his situation. While that could be admirable, it could also be a sign that there is something seriously wrong with him.

Rumia broke it down pretty well. The role of youkai are to be hunters, while humans are their prey. As a result, humans should naturally be afraid of them. If they aren't afraid of these things that are trying to kill them, then clearly there's a problem.

The question is, a problem for who?
Aside from a few prideful types, I can't imagine any youkai would complain about their prey essentially letting themselves get killed and eaten. Who wants a lot of hassle when all you're after is a meal?

The problem, then, could lie more on the human's side of things. Fear is one of the forces that helps people avoid things that could hurt or kill them. If they weren't afraid of those things, it's only natural that they're more likely to get killed by those things.

Which brings us to Jin. A guy who is best friends with one of the most potentially dangerous and destructive beings in Gensokyo, yet isn't afraid of her at all. Hell, now he's even rooming (albeit somewhat involuntarily) with a girl who tried to murder him two weeks ago.

By all accounts, Jin is pretty much setting himself up for a very short life in Gensokyo. While his acquiring skills to protect himself might help, it might not be enough if he still doesn't have the sense to be properly afraid of things that he should be afraid of.

Perhaps Rumia believes this, and so wanted to try to make Jin be afraid, to instill in him at least some level of the wariness that he has seemed to lack up until now, and if it helps to prolong his life by even a little bit, then so much the better.

Or perhaps I'm giving her too much credit.
>> No. 103386
[x] No, no hiding.
-[x] Invite Flandre in and get the two to set aside their differences and make up already. You don't want your friends to resent one another.
--[x] Ask Flandre to join Rumia in the picture. You haven't drawn her yet, either.
-[x] Be casual about it all. There are no misunderstandings, here.

Works for me~!
>> No. 103389
[x] No, no hiding.
-[x] Invite Flandre in and get the two to set aside their differences and make up already. You don't want your friends to resent one another.
--[x] Ask Flandre to join Rumia in the picture. You haven't drawn her yet, either.
-[x] Be casual about it all. There are no misunderstandings, here.
>> No. 103397
>>103327

TsundeRumia? Only in small doses, and lay off the "Baka". I liked bratty, often violent female rival Rumia as is.

[x] No, no hiding.
-[x] Invite Flandre in and get the two to set aside their differences and make up already. You don't want your friends to resent one another.
--[x] Ask Flandre to join Rumia in the picture. You haven't drawn her yet, either.
-[x] Be casual about it all. There are no misunderstandings, here.
>> No. 103406
[x] No, no hiding.
-{x} Invite Flandre in and get the two to set aside their differences and make up already. You don't want your friends to resent one another.
--{x} If all goes well then ask her to join in the drawing.
>> No. 103428
{No, no hiding.
- {Invite Flandre in and get the two to set aside their differences and make up already. You don't want your friends to resent one another.
-- {Ask Flandre to join Rumia in the picture. You haven't drawn her yet, either.}}
- {Be casual about it all. There are no misunderstandings, here.}}
>> No. 103474
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103474
I wonder if we can teach Rumia to never eat humans again.
We could have Sakuya turn Jin into a cook so that he can feed her.

Or at least have him feed her food with his fingers and mouth.... damn that would make a hot h scene.
>> No. 103483
>>103474

> have him feed her food with his fingers and mouth

That's a good way for Jin to lose his fingers and mouth.
>> No. 103487
[x] No, no hiding.
-[x] Invite Flandre in and get the two to set aside their differences and make up already. You don't want your friends to resent one another.
--[x] Ask Flandre to join Rumia in the picture. You haven't drawn her yet, either.
-[x] Be casual about it all. There are no misunderstandings, here.
>> No. 103497
Jack of all trades, master of snow.
>> No. 103520
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103520
>>103497
wut

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"No, damn it! No hiding." Rumia freezes instantly, turning to you with a panicked expression on her face that you've never seen before, holding her index finger in front of her mouth to shut you up; you merely make a dismissive hand gesture at her and continue.
"This sort of thing can't go on forever. You're staying right where you are, I'm letting Flandre in, and I'm going to calmly resume drawing you. And we're all going to be friendly and have a nice little chat."

"You don't get to make such decisions on your own when they regard my life or death!" Baring her teeth with widening eyes, the little monster's face right now fills you with some sort of unexplained delight; now she knows what you've felt like when she was still trying to catch you and make you her lunch. What color was left in her face quickly drains once she realizes the error of having raised her voice just now.

"Is... someone else in there with you..?" Flandre's voice sounds a little... hesitant? No, that's not it...

"Yeah, but it's no problem at all. Come on in!" Casually resuming drawing a frozen-in-fear Rumia, commenting that she shouldn't make funny faces like that with a smirk, you hear the door open, your attention quickly drawn to the shocked gasp escaping Flandre's lips as she notices just who you're sharing your room with. You greet her with a smile.
"Good morning."

For a brief moment, Rumia and Flandre just stare at one another silently, both of them like unmoving statues. To be fair, you can't help but stare at her, yourself; that outfit you bought her? She's wearing it. Well, not all of it; instead of the baggy shorts, she's still wearing a skirt. Still, the hoodie alone is enough to give her a completely different image; it's refreshing, in a way, especially when you consider that you've never seen her wear -anything- other than her regular outfit or her pajamas so far.

Now if only she didn't look so mortified. And weren't awkwardly raising her twitching arm, a strange and contorted expression on her face, eyes bulging, nostrils flared, mouth open with fangs bared and drawing heavy breaths, slowly clenching her fingers into a fist in Rumia's general direction...
Deciding to calm the girl down before things get ugly, you stand up between the two and approach Flandre, placing your hands on her shoulders in an attempt to get her to take it easy. After still staring right through your chest for a few seconds, she finally looks up at you, a confused and startled look on her face, mouth open and lower lip trembling.
"W-wha... why..?"

"Why what?"

"T-that!" Again with the shaky arm, she points behind you at your self-declared little sister figure sitting on your bed, completely paralyzed and pale as a corpse.

"Tsk, it's impolite to call other people 'that'. Be nice, now - we're all friends here, right?" Having said that - with enough conviction in your voice to just confuse Flandre a little bit more - you gently lead her over to the bed, prompting her to sit down next to Rumia; neither girl seems particularly pleased at this at all, Rumia looking as if she's about to drop dead, and Flandre still seeming in utter disbelief and horror over the whole situation. Oh boy. Time to play the mediator.
"See, Flan, Rumia and I-..." Hm. Just in case, best to tell the truth instead of spinning more thinly-veiled lies here; but nobody says you have to reveal unnecessary details just yet. That time will come soon enough.

"...We had a little contest, to settle our differences. Long story short, she'll be staying with me for a while; the good part is that we're on mostly sort of not quite friendly terms now. She's actually a nice girl at heart, I'm sure; so, I'd like for you to try and get along with her. Okay?" No answer; you turn to the other red-eyed blonde girl as well, so as not to make Flandre feel like she's being made the villain here.
"And you too, Rumia. Flandre is a sweet girl. I know you don't know her that well just yet, and might've gotten off on the wrong foot, but... I'd like for you to try and be her friend, too."

Reactions?

None, at first, other than the two avoiding looking at one another; you can see Flandre's fingernails gradually digging into the side of your bed, leaving deepening punctures into the wood and starkly contrasting with the tranquil and serene smile she offers you with an empty nod; whereas Rumia is shivering all over her body just subtly enough to not be immediately visible without focusing on her, a stiff and lifeless smile forced onto her face, eyes distant and strangely shiny.
Wait, you've got a possibly brilliant idea!
"Say, Flan... I was just drawing a portrait of Rumia - you know I like to draw, right?" You can't recall whether or not you've ever told her of your spontaneously discovered desire to capture all of Gensokyo's beauty on paper during your stay here.
"...But since you're here now... maybe you'd like to join her in the picture?" Finally, the vampire sends a narrow-eyed glance at the man-eater beside her; it's an unusual look for her, that inhumanly serene smile still lingering on her lips, with the slightest hint of a fang sticking out, pupils somewhere between their normal appearance and slits, eyelids lowered just slightly. You'd wear her eyes seem to glow just a little in the relatively low light of your room in the morning, and for a moment you find yourself becoming painfully aware of just what these two creatures are, sitting before you... You try to swallow, but it gets caught in your dry throat, and your body is covered in a cold sweat all of a sudden - something about Flandre right now, this Flandre, is... unnerving.

"Sure~"

...

It is done. Just to add the final touch with that red pen again... It feels odd, really. Rumia looking so uncharacteristically serious on this picture, and Flandre having some dark air about her... You're not quite sure you like what you've drawn just now. During the process, you had tried to spark some semblance of conversation amongst the three of you, with little in the way of results, Rumia mumbling or blurting out stock responses mostly limited to 'yes' or 'no', and Flandre only going on to ask Rumia for her opinion on anything you say to Flandre. And yet, while at first you thought you sensed malevolence in Flandre's actions, there is also a strong sense of sadness in her voice when she does speak. Despite your assurance that you and Rumia are friends now (sort of), it seems to bother her even if you asked her regardless. Does she simply despise the girl so much, or did she simply not wish to find out like this? Is she offended, or feeling betrayed? Heartbroken?

Jealous?

"Mmm... I like it." Speaking of Flandre, she seems to have soundlessly made her way behind you, and is peeking over your shoulder at your creation; glancing to the side, you notice a mild smirk on her face. She places a hand on your shoulder, gripping it tightly in a manner you can only surmise to be demonstrative.
"Rumia is pretty, isn't she? Don't you think so, Jin?"

"Um, w-well..." Women should be banned from asking questions like that from poor undeserving men. Fortunately, she releases you from her grip, instead walking over to Rumia who seems to have fallen into her own little world at some point; as Flandre bows down so her face is level with the sitting Rumia, she snaps out of it, face paling yet again and eyes widening in terror, yet her parted lips emit not a single noise.

And then Flandre smiles.

"It is nice to properly make your acquaintance." Having uttered these strangely ominous words, she stands upright yet again, turning to the side and heading for the door.

"...Huh? Oh, we're leaving already? Hang on, let me-..."

She interrupts you, looking over her shoulder, still smiling. Something feels off about that smile, though.
"Actually, I'm not feeling so good, all of a sudden... I think the sun's a little too intensive this morning. I'm sorry; I'll make it up to you sometime." She lifts a hand, waving her fingers at you with a soft chuckle, not seeming unwell at all, speaking strictly health-wise.
"I think I'll be going back home now. You two take care."

"But-... Hey, wait-..." The door closes behind her, your outstretched hand slowly descending.
Well.
That.
Didn't go as well as you had hoped. Although it wasn't quite all -that- unexpected, either, is what you tell yourself to feel better. Looking over to the bed, you see Rumia still in her spot... Except she's not sitting anymore, but curled up, lying on her side with the sheets pulled over her head, arms wrapped around her legs, trembling and... sobbing to herself, softly? You're not sure, but...

Gah, what the hell is a guy expected to do in a situation like this.



[] Chase after Flandre.
-{} Offer to walk her home; you had hoped to stay at the mansion for the weekend anyway, right?
-{} (Write-in)
[] Stay here.
-{} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
-{] Go back to bed and pretend these last two weeks have been nothing but one nasty-ass nightmare.
-{} (Write-in)
[] Go out on the town to clear your head.
[] (Write-in)
>> No. 103521
[x] Stay here.
-{x} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.

>Offer to walk her home; you had hoped to stay at the mansion for the weekend anyway, right?

Hoping to stay at the mansion does not mean that you will actually get to do so.
>> No. 103529
[X] Chase after Flandre.
-{X} Offer to walk her home; you had hoped to stay at the mansion for the weekend anyway, right?

Fuck you guys, see what you've done again?
>> No. 103530
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103530
[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
-{X} Hold her, and keep talking to a minimum unless she says something to you first. She's well and truly scared right now - she needs comfort, not a bunch of rationalizations or apologies.
--{X} You do need to make this up to her though. Give her time to calm down, and do something nice with her once she's in a better state of mind.

Poor Rumia.

I think we're going to have to give Flan a pretty stern talking-to. That was not good behavior at all on her part.
>> No. 103531
>>103529

How would we know that Taisa would troll us one choice after a prime time to do so?

And I suspect he was trying to create YET ANOTHER SHITSTORM. he might have succeded this time.
>> No. 103532
>>103527
>>103529

Yeah, and we're trying to make up for it, so stop doing the jackass thing. Chasing after the girl who had the irrational, malevolent reaction, and leaving the terrified, sobbing girl behind is not the brightest solution. Deal with what's in front of you for gods' sakes.
>> No. 103533
>>103531
Don't blame Taisa for what happened, you all knew that this was a bad idea.
>> No. 103535
>>103531

Oh please, we all knew it might not go well. Fact of the matter is, we have to sort things out between the two of them eventually, so suck it up. The first step is always the hardest.
>> No. 103537
>>103532

What about damage control? since this will get in the way badly of our plans to reveal the truth to the sisters. Not to mention the matter of trying to fix things before they get too bad.

>>103533
Yeah right, this is a Teruyo style backfire. Sure we might not expect them to be instant buddies, but we were not expecting this.
>> No. 103538
>>103529
Our intentions were good and that's all that all that matters.

What I regret is that after THIS choice, unless Jin suddenly learns how to use four-of-a-kind, we'll have to shun one of the girls forever.
>> No. 103541
[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.

Suddenly, i don't like flan as much as i did before. This was extremely nasty.
Plus, flan seems to be in an extremely good mood right now, not following her wouldn't do anything. On the other hand, Rumia is broken to the core, this is a rare chance.
>> No. 103542
Meanwhile at Taisa's computer:

Taisa: Just as planned

As he proceeds to F5 it to watch the "delicious shitstorm"
>> No. 103543
[] Chase after Flandre.
-{} Offer to walk her home; you had hoped to stay at the mansion for the weekend anyway, right?
>> No. 103544
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103544
[x] Go out on the town to clear your head.

You fucked up, anon. You were greedy and went for both girls at once. Neither Flandre or Rumia will ever forgive you. Why not just give in to your despair?
>> No. 103545
103530

[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
-{X} Hold her, and keep talking to a minimum unless she says something to you first. She's well and truly scared right now - she needs comfort, not a bunch of rationalizations or apologies.

Not bad
>> No. 103546
>>103541

Not really she's upset and hiding it kinda poorly. Unless fixed this will have major effects down the line.

It's like I'm really reading DoLF1 all over again!
>> No. 103547
103530

[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
-{X} Hold her, and keep talking to a minimum unless she says something to you first. She's well and truly scared right now - she needs comfort, not a bunch of rationalizations or apologies.

'Tis be nice
>> No. 103549
>>103537

>What about damage control? since this will get in the way badly of our plans to reveal the truth to the sisters. Not to mention the matter of trying to fix things before they get too bad.

You think she wants to talk to us right now? Really? That chasing after her is going to do a damn lick of good in her current mood?

Damage control is tending to the girl who damn near looks to be traumatized by this so that every time she and Flan are together isn't a painful reminder of Flan's complete lack of social etiquette. Damage control is giving Flan time to distance herself from the situation. Damage control is postponing that big old reveal.

More importantly, right now we have a girl who's a shivering, sobbing mess, and has absolutely no one else to comfort her. Who we put in that condition. Drop your preoccupation with routes for half a damn minute to be a decent person and do the right thing. Seriously, if we go ignoring the girl who was just turned into a crying wreck because of our actions, then I for one may well just drop this story - that would be the most disgusting, self-centered, asshole move we could ever pull, and I'm not sure I could stomach it.

If you lot are so fucking set on routes that you don't even care about being a decent guy anymore, then I can only hope you eventually come to realize that part of the reason the girls like Jin is because he's decent. If you seriously abandon Rumia at this juncture, then I can't imagine any of the girls will give Jin the time of day after they find out, save for a twisted, insensitive Flan who we won't be able to get to adjust to society after that.
>> No. 103554
>>103549

Yeah I know that but it isn't a matter of routes but the matter of things falling apart or not.

I'm just going to stop arguing since chances are if this story does fall apart we'll just drive Taisa out just like Kira. At least Kira had the decency to feel sorry and his stunts were not insanely intentional unlike Taisa's.
>> No. 103556
>>103554
>insanely intentional unlike Taisa's
see >>103533
>> No. 103559
[x] Stay here.
-{x} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
>> No. 103561
>>103544
Sure, why not?

[X] Stay here.
-[X] Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
-[X] Once she has calmed down, tell her that you will find Flandre and demand an explanation.
-[X] Ask for directions in Town and go to the Scarlet Devil Mansion to speak with Flandre about this.

Go alone, get lost, die in the way. I don't give a damn anymore.
>> No. 103566
>>103549
>You think she wants to talk to us right now? Really? That chasing after her is going to do a damn lick of good in her current mood?
>there is also a strong sense of sadness in her voice when she does speak.
Yes, it would do a lot of good. I'd rather not send her home crying and hardening her heart because she misunderstood Jin's intentions. She's more sad than angry, and right now she needs a someone to tell her everything is alright.

>Damage control is postponing that big old reveal.
Yeah, postponing it. Real sense of damage control, there. [/sarcasm]

>More importantly, right now we have a girl who's a shivering, sobbing mess, and has absolutely no one else to comfort her.
She's a man-eating youkai who flaunts that fact in our face. She's not going to be traumatized by this at all. She'll get over it in no time at all.

>then I for one may well just drop this story - that would be the most disgusting, self-centered, asshole move we could ever pull, and I'm not sure I could stomach it.
Alright. Bye.

>I can only hope you eventually come to realize that part of the reason the girls like Jin is because he's decent.
We could be a total ass. We're the only guy in the school, however. This means nothing.

>If you seriously abandon Rumia at this juncture, then I can't imagine any of the girls will give Jin the time of day after they find out, save for a twisted, insensitive Flan who we won't be able to get to adjust to society after that.
Because everybody is friends with Rumia, and God forbid we piss off even one girl. I can't believe the wrath of heaven hasn't come down on our heads for defiling peach-hat yet, either.

>All of this crap about forgetting the route and sad little girls
We're on the route to have a good end with Flandre. Anything that goes against that route should be forgotten and thrown out immediately. Rumia's been alone before, she can go back to being alone now, assuming she'll hold any hard feelings. This isn't her route, we're not trying to make her happy. She means nothing.
>> No. 103568
>>103533
This really should be emphasized... why oh WHY DID I HAVE TO LOSE MY CONNECTION FOR 3 DAYS GOD DAMN IT

>>103554
don't do this as it's unnecessary considering it had been anon's choice, should have had faith in rumia hiding/escaping effectively.
no retcon to call a mulligan and no bad-end to allow another chance, accept it

[x] Chase after Flandre.
-{x} Offer to walk her home; you had hoped to stay at the mansion for the weekend anyway, right? (But don't mention the second part unless everything goes well)
-{x} Explain that you were just waiting for her to arrive, and that Rumia's just a recently made friend, nothing more at all.

inb4 the day becomes Jin's wild goose chase with the possible chance of facing the other usually hostile denizens of Gensokyo. ending how exactly is unknown
>> No. 103573
It may be futile to ask, but can we please not blame the writefag for this? We made a choice which turned out to backfire, accept it and move on to damage control without being faggots. Anyway...

[x] Chase after Flandre.
-{x} Offer to walk her home; you had hoped to stay at the mansion for the weekend anyway, right? (But don't mention the second part unless everything goes well)
-{x} Explain that you were just waiting for her to arrive, and that Rumia's just a recently made friend, nothing more at all.
>> No. 103574
wow, no shit?

you mean it was a bad idea to put the two diametrically opposed youkai in the same room? The room that happened to be your bedroom?

Wow. I would never have guessed that. That's like completely unforeseeable.
>> No. 103576
[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
>> No. 103577
[x] Chase after Flandre.
-{x} Offer to walk her home; you had hoped to stay at the mansion for the weekend anyway, right? (But don't mention the second part unless everything goes well)
-{x} Explain that you were just waiting for her to arrive, and that Rumia's just a recently made friend, nothing more at all.
>> No. 103578
>>103574
>That's like completely unforeseeable

Sadly this was the case for quite a few anon around here.
>> No. 103580
>>103556

Yeah but he didn't have to do this, since we were aiming for the two to be civil. But this, funny I was worried about this happening the last choice, and he goes and proves me right.

Going out on the town is not the thing to do, since seeing how our Trolling author rolls, this will end badly somehow.

I guess something I heard about "too many punishments" being a bad thing is true, at least in this case.
[x] Say to Rumia really quick, "I'm sorry..."
[x] Chase after Flandre.
-{x} Offer to walk her home; you had hoped to stay at the mansion for the weekend anyway, right? (But don't mention the second part unless everything goes well)
-{x} Explain that you were just waiting for her to arrive, and that Rumia's just a recently made friend, nothing more at all.

I don't know what the fuck to do, chances are he'd troll us either way.

Since I realize that if Remilia doesn't realize it, we're dead.

>>103561

Nice job, Taisa, you've badly damaged this guy's faith.
>> No. 103581
>>103578
I can't help but wonder what anon thought would happen. That the two girls would start stripping and have a lesbian make-out fest on your--This is exactly what anon thought would happen.
>> No. 103582
[X] Chase after Flandre
-"Hey didn't you want to go on an adventure today?"
>> No. 103585
>>103581
This is what anon hoped would happen.

And actually - now that you mention it - I do, too. I hope Taisa will make a Flandre x Rumia scene with Flandre being a sadistic little dominatrix and Rumia being the quiet, submissive slave.
>> No. 103586
>>103581

No, just that they'd come to an understanding of being civil, nothing more.

I.e. some kind of middle ground, not begging for a classic backfire. And I'm sure if we tried to hide her, he'd have trolled us some other way.
>> No. 103587
>>103586
You know that's bullshit. What with how just a couple choices back you went through great pains to make sure Flandre didn't accidentally discover Rumia in the same bed with you.
>> No. 103590
A story with no conflict wouldn't be a story, now would it.

[X] Chase after Flandre
>> No. 103591
>>103587

Just being chastely social in a room isn't the same thing as being in the same bed sleeping.
>> No. 103592
I hope all you people who are voting to chase after Flandre realize that you're rewarding her for completely unconscionable behavior, and are only going to teach her that Jin's a doormat who will go scrambling to appease her every time she throws a temper tantrum, or acts out at all. Go ahead and encourage her passive-aggressive behavior, and stunt her social growth even further. Teach her that it's alright to threaten whoever she feels like over the pettiest of things, encourage her to behave poorly. It's not like she's mentally unstable and needs to learn better control or anything; just let her do whatever she wants.
>> No. 103593
>>103590

authentic conflict sure, but this is basically artificial shit goes wrong as to force people to make a choice.

overly cliched stuff used only in the most trite of VN's.

And the big reveal would have been significant enough.

It's habits like this that cause Anon to screw up on the Monk Anon story.
>> No. 103594
>Friday the 13th
>> No. 103595
[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
-{X} Hold her, and keep talking to a minimum unless she says something to you first. She's well and truly scared right now - she needs comfort, not a bunch of rationalizations or apologies.
>> No. 103596
[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
-{x}Afterwards, head towards the mansion, and talk to Flandre personally.

You're all fagets who bitch and moan when things start slightly going south.

Men take the consequences of their actions with grace and run with them.

So things didn't work out exactly as you wanted to from a choice. Well you make them work the way you want them to. Regretting your actions is the way of sissies. They're both hurt, and you want them both to be well?

Then fix it.
>> No. 103598
>>103592
We got it the first time; you want your way at the expense of making the story even harder for the rest of us.

You really think Rumia was the only one scared in this situation? What causes a sweet little girl like Flandre to suddenly act out like that, hm? Finding the boy she likes with a girl she hates and hearing he's now friends with her even after she tried to kill him? I'm sure any girl would act strangely to that.
>> No. 103599
>>103596

I can't speak for anyone else, but one of the reasons I voted for consoling Rumia was the fact that I want to resolve the issues that both parties have, and this is the only really appropriate time to console her. Flan is someone we're going to run into again, and with her passive-aggressive attitude just now, she's not going to run away from us or avoid us. We'll simply have more opportunity and more time to talk to her.

Plus we should let Flan stew since she was completely in the wrong in this situation, and her behavior was appalling, which means that she's the one who needs less immediate emotional support. We're going to have to confront her, and call her out on her mistakes if we want her to grow as a person.
>> No. 103600
[x] Stay here.
-{x} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
>> No. 103602
>>103592

And like not doing anything would teach her? If we're lucky, she'd just stop speaking to us.

At worse? Death at Remilia's hands.

>>103594
well if we knew that last night, I'd think we'd have held off on voting so he'd update saturday then.

>>103596
This isn't slightly south, this is badly south.

I'd think about trying to mix, but knowing Taisa, he'd just have it backfire again.
>> No. 103603
>>103598

Your making the story harder for yourself, you ass, because you lack any ability to critically think about the situation you're in, and instead vote based on whose name shows up in the option. Just like the people voting to abandon Patchouli's lunch invitation while simultaneously taking her lunch, completely ignoring how much of a social faux pas it is, and how badly it could impact their chances with Flan. I'm willing to go down an unappealing route as long ass people make sensible decisions; at this point all I want is for people to actually fucking think about the situation from more than one goddamn angle.

I swear, you lot are constantly making some of the most asinine choices I've ever seen.
>> No. 103604
Sure would suck if Flandre ran home and told her sister that Jin broke her heart.
>> No. 103608
>>103604

well Remilia already knows about Rumia, but it's all a matter of if she A) calms Flan down or B) Overreacts like she did in the past.

In short either things get patched up or Remilia kills Jin if Flan's allowed to go all the way home.

>>103603
I blame the folks who haven't settled on a target, that and Taisa's habit of having things drag on too long. (like the training, start at about 1pm, then BAM it's midnight already!), that'd have some people on guard.

But if I recall correctly, after someone pointed that out, folks corrected their votes.
>> No. 103610
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>> No. 103612
>>103603
Again, we got it the first time. You love Rumia; you wish it were her route. Cry cry cry. You're full of shit.

You think any choices made with Rumia affects the entire story. You believe she is a fragile little screw that could bring down the whole foundation. I believe you are the one who lacks the ability to think critically and make sensible decisions. I believe you are biased and irrational.

And of course I looked at it from your angle, ass. Not everyone here is just randomly hitting buttons like you think they are.

I understand you have very different thoughts and feelings on this story, and I would respect that - if you weren't flying off the handle and trying to force your opinions down our throats and insult us based on a decision YOU don't like.
>> No. 103613
[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
-{X} Hold her, and keep talking to a minimum unless she says something to you first. She's well and truly scared right now - she needs comfort, not a bunch of rationalizations or apologies.
>> No. 103614
>>103612

As much as I'd like to help her, what Flan does has greater weight on the whole flow of the story than Rumia does.

And for all we know she might just want to be left alone.

Well I've made my choice, all I can do is wait and see what happens.
>> No. 103615
>>103608
>like the training, start at about 1pm, then BAM it's midnight already

To be fair, Jin read the book before training, which seems to eat up huge amounts of time without him even noticing.
>> No. 103616
Am I the only one who doesn't feel sorry for Rumia after all of the shit she's pulled?
>> No. 103620
Wow, you people are amazing.
>> No. 103622
>>103620

The thing is I doubt there's a true right choice, and that going in the middle isn't going to cut it, so people are choosing what they think is right.

That's all we can go on since at this point, there is no perfect solution.
>> No. 103623
>>103520
[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.

We done wrong by Rumia; she knew what had to be done to avoid this situation and we went and got ourselves into a load of trouble anyway. Time to make amends.
Might be a good lesson for her, though, knowing what it's like to be terrorized by fantastic creatures of absurd power. Wasn't that the purpose of this whole 'school' thing? Teach these little beasties how to handle themselves on the outside? Touch of empathy would do her good. Still, going through that on account of us? Staying here is the least we can do.

Flandre, well, she can wait for now. I doubt she's quite composed at the moment, and I am not entirely sure what kind of emotions are going to be expressed or what words we might exchange. None that I can think of that I am keen on dealing with at the moment.
>> No. 103624
>-{X} Hold her, and keep talking to a minimum unless she says something to you first. She's well and truly scared right now - she needs comfort, not a bunch of rationalizations or apologies.

I can't fucking believe how many votes this shit got so far.
>> No. 103626
[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
-{X} Hold her, and keep talking to a minimum unless she says something to you first. She's well and truly scared right now - she needs comfort, not a bunch of rationalizations or apologies.
>> No. 103627
>>103623
We don't have to make amends. This situation needed to be dealt with, and even Rumia knows it. They couldn't play cat and mouse forever; us trying to please both of them - one as our love interest and the other as our little sister figure. The thing is, we can't make them both happy.

This isn't just going to go away, and I doubt it will be solved with an outcome where everybody remains happy. We have to make a choice; Flandre route or Rumia route. Comforting one will only alienate the other, and the same will most likely go for their respective friends and family members.
>> No. 103628
>>103620
>>103625
beatingdeadhorses.jpg
>> No. 103633
{Stay here.
- {Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
-- {Hold her, and keep talking to a minimum unless she says something to you first. She's well and truly scared right now - she needs comfort, not a bunch of rationalizations or apologies.}}}
{Afterwards, head towards the mansion, and talk to Flandre personally.}
>> No. 103634
>>103630
>Flandre doesn't deserve the attention after that. I'm still hoping for her route but it doesn't excuse her reaction.

WHAT!? Did you even read this part?
>there is also a strong sense of sadness in her voice when she does speak. Despite your assurance that you and Rumia are friends now (sort of), it seems to bother her even if you asked her regardless. Does she simply despise the girl so much, or did she simply not wish to find out like this? Is she offended, or feeling betrayed? Heartbroken?

It's not Flandre who is at fault here; it's Jin. And the one must hurt at the moment is Flandre.

Rumia feared physical harm, but Flandre was the harmed one, and emotionally harmed, by the way. That's worse than a physical wound. A youkai's arm can grow back in som time, but trust is not so easily rebuilt.
>> No. 103636
>>103627

It certainly looks that way to me, and it was most likely Taisa's plan.

>>103634

Well said, my good man.
>> No. 103638
[x] Say to Rumia really quick, "I'm sorry..."
[x] Chase after Flandre.
-{x} Offer to walk her home; you had hoped to stay at the mansion for the weekend anyway, right? (But don't mention the second part unless everything goes well)
-{x} Explain that you were just waiting for her to arrive, and that Rumia's just a recently made friend, nothing more at all.
>> No. 103639
[x] Say to Rumia really quick, "I'm sorry..."
[X] Chase after Flandre.
-{X} Offer to walk her home; you had hoped to stay at the mansion for the weekend anyway, right? (But don't mention the second part unless everything goes well)
-{X} Explain that you were just waiting for her to arrive, and that Rumia's just a recently made friend, nothing more at all.
>> No. 103641
>>103634

I think folks were too upset to see clearly at first, but after you pointed things out, it became clear.

Let's hope we're right.
>> No. 103644
YEAR!
[x] Say to Rumia really quick, "I'm sorry..."
[x] Chase after Flandre.
-{x} Offer to walk her home; you had hoped to stay at the mansion for the weekend anyway, right? (But don't mention the second part unless everything goes well)
-{x} Explain that you were just waiting for her to arrive, and that Rumia's just a recently made friend, nothing more at all.
>> No. 103645
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I'm still waiting for Suika to at least make an appearance.
>> No. 103646
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>>103645

Taisa forgot she existed.
>> No. 103647
how about no.


[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
>> No. 103648
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>>103646
I know, I'm the one who brought it up originally. I'm just hoping she will at least show up before the end. I want to see what kind of personality Taisa will give her.
>> No. 103650
I don't understand what the people voting to chase after Flan are thinking here.

Okay, so we try to get these two together, with predictable results. Throughout the whole encounter Rumia is scared half to death, while Flan is not-so-subtly threatening her and enjoying making her squirm. Afterward, Flan leaves without listening to a word Jin has to say, shutting him out completely, and Rumia is so frightened that she curls up in a fetal position, hides under the sheets of the bed, and starts crying.

First things first, the way Flan shut down Jin when he brought up the mansion, it doesn't exactly seem likely that she'll listen to him if he follows her. If she would listen, what would you say exactly? That Rumia's just a friend... okay, but that's what Flan's upset about, and isn't that kind of the problem?

I can... sort of see where the people saying this is Jin's fault are coming from, but what did he do exactly? He made friends with a girl Flan doesn't like? Was Flan's response really the acceptable one? When you have a friend who has friends you don't like, do you antagonize and threaten those people, even passive-aggressively? No, of course not. You avoid them, and you probably advise your friend not to hang around with them, but there are definite boundaries there.

What Flan did was really uncalled for, and a definite sign of her mental instability. She can't be that possessive, or she'll never adapt to society, especially with her ability. Frankly, she was out of line, and everyone would be better off if she was called on it, including her. You have to remember that sometimes what people want isn't always what's best for them; which is really better in the long term, appeasing Flan temporarily, or teaching her what really constitutes proper behavior? I doubt most people have had serious discussions with her, and doesn't she always ask us to treat her like an adult? Give her what she wants then: treat her like an adult instead of with kid gloves, sit down, and have a serious talk about her conduct just now.

As for Rumia, she's a wreck right now. I know some of you don't like her, but are you honestly giving her a chance to reform at all? She's displayed remarkably improved behavior over the past week, and it seems a bit much to just brush that aside. How exactly do you expect to ever get her to treat you better if you're constantly treating her like dirt?

She's hurting, and a lot more than Flan. Flan was hurt emotionally, yes, but she was frankly being overly sensitive as it was, whereas Rumia was really fearing for her life, perhaps for the first time. There's a dramatic difference in the damage each sustained. Frankly, I doubt she'd be eager to inflict that kind of fear on us again if we had the courtesy, at least, to sit down and stay with her a little while. It's not as though we have to be comforting her forever; she's going to recover at some point, and after that, confronting Flan is simply going to happen. There's hardly any way around it.

Furthermore, I think you're all forgetting that there's apparently a more serious, less slice-of-life plot coming up according to Taisa. How would abandoning Rumia here affect us then, especially considering she's much more seriously afflicted than Flan? We could resolve Flan's problem with much less difficulty than we could resolve Rumia's; wouldn't it be wisest then, to take care of the serious problem that could alienate a potential friend permanently, and then take care of what amounts to a case of envy that would be more easily resolved, and likely not cause such permanent damage?

Honestly, I can understand that some of you want to ingratiate yourselves with Flan, but I think it would be much more beneficial to her if you treat her like an adult rather than trying simply to appease her.
>> No. 103652
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>>103650
>What Flan did was really uncalled for, and a definite sign of her mental instability. She can't be that possessive, or she'll never adapt to society, especially with her ability. Frankly, she was out of line, and everyone would be better off if she was called on it, including her. You have to remember that sometimes what people want isn't always what's best for them; which is really better in the long term, appeasing Flan temporarily, or teaching her what really constitutes proper behavior? I doubt most people have had serious discussions with her, and doesn't she always ask us to treat her like an adult? Give her what she wants then: treat her like an adult instead of with kid gloves, sit down, and have a serious talk about her conduct just now.

Seconded.

Also, was there an official route lock, or is this something people have adopted to justify their decisions?
>> No. 103653
>Also, was there an official route lock?
No.
>> No. 103654
>>103650

we're not just trying to applease her, but first we have to get her to settle down before we adominish her for her overreaction.

And Rumia fearing her for her life? Someone who picked a fight with Reimu, that isn't a rare occurrence.

And as far as the reaction, we only saw one altercation, and that was when she tried to eat us once, there wasn't any other signs of continuing hostilities. So anon assumed a bit of discussion should set things straight.
>> No. 103655
>>103653
Will there ever be one or are you just pitting us against each other?
>> No. 103656
One way or another, I just hope people will think about the consequences of their choice before they start blaming Taisa for the things that go wrong.
>> No. 103657
>>103655

The answer should be obvious by now.

And I think most of us have gotten past the part of shit happening, and more on the matter of what to do about it.
>> No. 103660
>>103520

So, Flandre considers Rumia as "that bitch", and Flandre is almost garunteed to never get along with her. That's what I gather from this, anyway.

I'm about scared shitless to vote, as I doubt this will go well either way. For all we know, Rumia may just blame us for this and push us away, Flandre definately will. And with either option, we'll surely have to deal with Remilia, who will surely not take us hurting her sister well. Let's not even think what she'd do to Rumia if she decided to show her face again.

Welp, this story can't be all sunshine and rainbows I suppose (That's Patchwork's territory).
>> No. 103661
>>103654

>we're not just trying to applease her, but first we have to get her to settle down before we adominish her for her overreaction.

Yes, but look, how long do you think it will take to get her to settle down, and does she need it immediately? Rumia certainly needs immediate attention.

Frankly, we would do better to confront Flan either within the mansion, or within the school; in those settings, she has a bit more of an obligation to listen to us in those settings. Ideally, I'd suggest dealing with the crying, frightened girl today, then heading up to the mansion tomorrow. Giving Flan a day to cool off might be good, or at least get her into a mood where she's more likely to listen to us than to brush us off. She'll have had time to distance herself from the encounter a bit, and from the intensity of the emotions involved. If we want a serious talk, we need her to be receptive.

>And Rumia fearing her for her life? Someone who picked a fight with Reimu, that isn't a rare occurrence.

... what? What about Reimu... I... huh?

>And as far as the reaction, we only saw one altercation, and that was when she tried to eat us once, there wasn't any other signs of continuing hostilities. So anon assumed a bit of discussion should set things straight.

I'm... not even quite sure of what you're talking about here.
>> No. 103663
I still think reminding Flandre of her previous ADVENTURE plans would be the best choice, It's something she really wanted to do.
>> No. 103664
>>103662

If you're flip-flopping. I'd suggest sitting down, and thinking this out. I'd also suggest reading over arguments from both sides - some of them may be caustic, but perhaps there's something you can glean from those, even.

Either way, I'd suggest you withhold yourself from voting until you're more sure of the course you want. Better not to leave a vote up and come to regret it later, especially if it proves to be the deciding factor.
>> No. 103665
>>103663

Ah, but consider that she just flat out turned Jin down when he offered to go out with her, only seconds ago; she was quite looking forward to that, but she still rejected his offer.

Really, give her time to cool off. It will serve you better than badgering her.
>> No. 103667
>>103658

And delay the reveal and risk having Remilia overreact (she might understand and help, she might not) You haven't forgotten Remilia's habit of that, right? Especially when a massive wrench like this is thrown into the way of things. And our inaction might be taken as prefering Rumia over her. Not a good thing.


Youkai shouldn't be that unused to life and death, since there are hierarchies in Gensokyo. A typical basic youkai knows not to fuck with Tengu or Oni.

If Jin could split in two, I'd be all for doing both.

>>103660
Thanks to this we know for sure that we can't have the two remotely alone in the same room.
>> No. 103669
>>103650
>I don't understand what...
Oh my god. It's quite obvious you no longer care about the story and are just banging pots and pans now.

>Flan is not-so-subtly threatening her and enjoying making her squirm.
Enjoying? She's wasn't enjoying any of it. She was hurting. Listen to the other side of discussion for once.
>That Rumia's just a friend... okay, but that's what Flan's upset about, and isn't that kind of the problem?
She doesn't understand. We need to explain to her that "friend" doesn't mean anything more than what it implies. Flandre is closer to us than Rumia.
>What Flan did was really uncalled for, and a definite sign of her mental instability. She can't be that possessive, or she'll never adapt to society, especially with her ability. Frankly, she was out of line, and everyone would be better off if she was called on it, including her.
Of course it was called for. It's because of that exact mental instability and lack of a social life that she has no self-restraint. She doesn't know how to act. She was scared, confused, and trying to find a way to cope.
>As for Rumia, she's a wreck right now. I know some of you don't like her, but are you honestly giving her a chance to reform at all? She's displayed remarkably improved behavior over the past week, and it seems a bit much to just brush that aside. How exactly do you expect to ever get her to treat you better if you're constantly treating her like dirt?
Of course I like her, but she doesn't matter. And we aren't "constantly" treating her like dirt; it's the other way around. Rumia is not like Flandre. She's has maturity. It's her responsibility to stop treating us like dirt if she wants us to treat her better.
>Frankly, I doubt she'd be eager to inflict that kind of fear on us again if we had the courtesy, at least, to sit down and stay with her a little while.
Ha! You say that we treat Flandre with kid-gloves and let her walk all over us; just what is it that you think you're doing with Rumia, now? She's just going to continue playing with us, knowing that we're too soft to do anything about it.
>Furthermore, I think you're all forgetting that there's apparently a more serious, less slice-of-life plot coming up according to Taisa. How would abandoning Rumia here affect us then, especially considering she's much more seriously afflicted than Flan? We could resolve Flan's problem with much less difficulty than we could resolve Rumia's; wouldn't it be wisest then, to take care of the serious problem that could alienate a potential friend permanently, and then take care of what amounts to a case of envy that would be more easily resolved, and likely not cause such permanent damage?
Let me rephrase that for you.

"Furthermore, I think you're all forgetting that there's apparently a more serious, less slice-of-life plot coming up according to Taisa. How would ignoring Flandre here affect us then, especially considering she's much more seriously afflicted than Rumia? We could resolve Rumia's problem with much less difficulty than we could resolve Flandre's; wouldn't it be wisest then, to take care of the serious problem that could alienate a potential lover permanently, and then take care of what amounts to a case of uncalled for jitters that would be more easily resolved, and likely not cause such permanent damage?"

It can be just as easily thought of in the opposite direction. You're bringing the wrath of an unstable vampire on your head, instead of some little man-eater that we've defeated once before. We can be Rumia's brother anytime, and fix this mess up down the road. But we can't have Flandre think that we're not interested, that we may be unfaithful if she already considers us more than friends.

>sit down, and have a serious talk about her conduct just now.
Finally, yes. But I believe it should be done now. Letting her have time to twist her emotions into an even deeper mess would be catastrophic in more ways than one. Letting her have time to build up her anger, her hatred towards Rumia, her possessiveness towards Jin - is all a very bad idea. She'll listen to us now, but if we let her think too long on it, we'll suddenly have lost the Flandre we knew and loved, and have her vicious side take control.
>> No. 103670
>>103665

I do agree on the cooling down part, but not so much on how to do so...

But seeing how this went badly wrong, I'm worried about how inaction on Flan's end would be perceived.
>> No. 103671
>some little man-eater that we've defeated once before

...by a fluke. Even then, just barely.
>> No. 103672
[x] Say to Rumia really quick, "I'm sorry..."
[x] Chase after Flandre.
-{x} Offer to walk her home; you had hoped to stay at the mansion for the weekend anyway, right? (But don't mention the second part unless everything goes well)
-{x} Explain that you were just waiting for her to arrive, and that Rumia's just a recently made friend, nothing more at all.
>> No. 103673
>If Jin could split in two, I'd be all for doing both.

Jin can be split in two, I just doubt he can do anything in that condition though.
>> No. 103675
>>103669

You took the words out of my mouth.
>> No. 103679
>>103661
>and does she need it immediately?
Yes.
>Rumia certainly needs immediate attention.
No, she doesn't. This is a world where youkai eat humans and humans hunt youkai. She was more afraid of how Flandre would kill her. By the time we get back, she'll have forgotten all about this.
>where she's more likely to listen to us than to brush us off. She'll have had time to distance herself from the encounter a bit, and from the intensity of the emotions involved.
She'll have locked herself away in her heart and let her hatred control her actions. She won't want to have any part of us, and Remilia wouldn't want us speaking with her, either.
>... what? What about Reimu... I... huh?
He means she's tougher than she looks. She knows what she's up against.

>>103664
Oh, lovely. So now you're trying to persuade anonymous that they're confused and too stupid to make a decision? Telling them to hold off on a vote that would go against your desires? Telling him to read both sides of an argument, when you yourself don't, putting a stress of importance on the decision and hinting that the other side is wrong? Way to get people to side with you, oh lord of the sith.

>>103665
Because she was hurting, she couldn't think straight. It will serve you better to stop badgering the voters.
>> No. 103681
[x] Say to Rumia really quick, "I'm sorry..."
[x] Chase after Flandre.
-{x} Offer to walk her home; you had hoped to stay at the mansion for the weekend anyway, right? (But don't mention the second part unless everything goes well)
-{x} Explain that you were just waiting for her to arrive, and that Rumia's just a recently made friend, nothing more at all.
>> No. 103683
>>103669

>Oh my god. It's quite obvious you no longer care about the story and are just banging pots and pans now.

Quite the caustic one, aren't you? Now, I'll try to be civil, but let me say this: shut up and don't talk about my intentions. I haven't insulted yours.

>Enjoying? She's wasn't enjoying any of it. She was hurting. Listen to the other side of discussion for once.

"Listen to the other side of discussion for once?" I could say the same to you! Certainly she was hurting, but she also took it out on Rumia, and used that to assuage some of the pain. She enjoyed Rumia's suffering as best she could.

>She doesn't understand. We need to explain to her that "friend" doesn't mean anything more than what it implies. Flandre is closer to us than Rumia.

You're right, "friend" doesn't mean anything more than that, and we should explain that. I simply don't think she would listen to us at the moment, and needs time to cool off.

>Of course it was called for. It's because of that exact mental instability and lack of a social life that she has no self-restraint. She doesn't know how to act. She was scared, confused, and trying to find a way to cope.

It wasn't called for; we can't hold her entirely responsible for what she does, given her mental condition, but neither can we simply say that what she's done is acceptable. That's a dangerous road to go down.

>Of course I like her, but she doesn't matter. And we aren't "constantly" treating her like dirt; it's the other way around. Rumia is not like Flandre. She's has maturity. It's her responsibility to stop treating us like dirt if she wants us to treat her better.

Frankly, if you think absolutely no one but your "target" matters, then I have nothing to say to you. I can't agree, and I think such an attitude will come back to hurt you later, but you're not liable to listen to me.

>Ha! You say that we treat Flandre with kid-gloves and let her walk all over us; just what is it that you think you're doing with Rumia, now? She's just going to continue playing with us, knowing that we're too soft to do anything about it.

We've already called Rumia out on multiple occasions. We ought to continue to do it. In fact, I think comforting her at this juncture is one way to do this; show her that petty past differences can be ignored in the face of someone who's truly hurting.

>It can be just as easily thought of in the opposite direction. You're bringing the wrath of an unstable vampire on your head, instead of some little man-eater that we've defeated once before. We can be Rumia's brother anytime, and fix this mess up down the road. But we can't have Flandre think that we're not interested, that we may be unfaithful if she already considers us more than friends.

Frankly, I just can't agree with your priorities. I'm sorry. I think that someone suffering from a near-death experience is in a much more fragile state than someone who had a recent bout with jealousy, even if the latter is unstable. The fact that Rumia has absolutely no one else to fall back on, whereas Flan has the mansion residents to comfort her, only reinforces this; especially given that Patchy and Sakuya also are there for Flan, and are liable to have better reactions than Remi to Flan's problem, and are liable to do some consoling for us. Not to mention that they're mature enough that they're liable to remember that Jin is a decent enough man, and are like to remind Flan of that.

Abandoning Rumia here, however, only cements the idea in her head that she's alone and no one cares. I don't think there's any way to say that she's in a less fragile state than Flan, so I'm afraid we'll simply have to disagree.

>Finally, yes. But I believe it should be done now. Letting her have time to twist her emotions into an even deeper mess would be catastrophic in more ways than one. Letting her have time to build up her anger, her hatred towards Rumia, her possessiveness towards Jin - is all a very bad idea. She'll listen to us now, but if we let her think too long on it, we'll suddenly have lost the Flandre we knew and loved, and have her vicious side take control.

Again, I think we should let her cool down, and I think that if she heads back to the mansion, the others will do a decent job of soothing her until we come over. Even if you don't want to wait until tomorrow, you could stand to spend some time with Rumia, and at least assure her that we really are a big brother figure to her. I think this is an opportunity to do wonders with our relationship with Rumia, while still being one we can spin into a positive experience with Flan. Getting the best result here, however, hinges on not abandoning Rumia, and leaving now is certain to appear as abandonment to her.
>> No. 103685
[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
-{X} Hold her, and keep talking to a minimum unless she says something to you first. She's well and truly scared right now - she needs comfort, not a bunch of rationalizations or apologies.

>Rumia has absolutely no one else to fall back on, whereas Flan has the mansion residents to comfort her
>> No. 103686
>>103679

>Oh, lovely. So now you're trying to persuade anonymous that they're confused and too stupid to make a decision? Telling them to hold off on a vote that would go against your desires? Telling him to read both sides of an argument, when you yourself don't, putting a stress of importance on the decision and hinting that the other side is wrong? Way to get people to side with you, oh lord of the sith.

Projecting much, you insipid lout? I haven't said a thing in that vein; I'm advising him to do what I do. When I'm confused about what to do, I sit down, I think about the situation, and I read arguments from both sides. But thank you so much for making assumptions about my character. I appreciate it.

All I have to say about the rest of your comments is that they seem like poor rationalizations for poor conduct. I think you're giving Rumia more credit than she deserves, simply for the sake of making you feel better about pulling a rather nasty move on her. Then again, I'm not an expert on your character, am I?
>> No. 103687
[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
-{X} Hold her, and keep talking to a minimum unless she says something to you first. She's well and truly scared right now - she needs comfort, not a bunch of rationalizations or apologies.

What the hell. I am not reading all those posts jesus christ.
>> No. 103688
[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
-{X} Hold her, and keep talking to a minimum unless she says something to you first. She's well and truly scared right now - she needs comfort, not a bunch of rationalizations or apologies.
>> No. 103689
>>103664

I don't know, in my head it seems either route gets picked will result in something bad happening, it just seems to be guessing which one will be the least bad.
>> No. 103690
>>103689

Ah, well then, sorry to hear that. The only advice I can give you at that juncture is to try being optimistic, maybe even irrationally optimistic. I find that, when the chips are down, and the situation couldn't get worse, staying positive can have amazing results. After all, if you start thinking negatively, negative results are nearly a forgone conclusion.
>> No. 103691
>>103690
That's how people should pick, look at the way that could give the greatest positive consequences instead of the one with the least negative ones. It becomes easier after that, it's more fun to hope for the future than to fear what might go wrong.
>> No. 103692
>>103683
>Quite the caustic one, aren't you?
And now we come full circle to insulting me. How obvious the trend.
>Now, I'll try to be civil, but let me say this: shut up and don't talk about my intentions. I haven't insulted yours.
The hell you haven't.
>she also took it out on Rumia, and used that to assuage some of the pain. She enjoyed Rumia's suffering as best she could.
Because she didn't know how to cope. She didn't enjoy causing Rumia fear. There's no way she could have enjoyed that in front of her best friend who she was then in conflict about. In any other situation, she would have just ignored her.
>Frankly, if you think absolutely no one but your "target" matters, then I have nothing to say to you.
That's not what I meant. She doesn't matter now. If we are on a Flandre route, then anything that could deter or corrupt that is best to be avoided. She comes first, everything else second. And if being acquainted to her at all is harmful to this route, she should be quickly disposed of.
>show her that petty past differences can be ignored in the face of someone who's truly hurting.
I doubt she'd understand how to comfort us, but I'll leave that up to speculation.
>suffering from a near-death experience...The fact that Rumia has absolutely no one else to fall back on
She's a youkai. She's used to this. You can't honestly say that this is the first ever in her how many hundreds or more years of life.
>the others will do a decent job of soothing her until we come over.
For a little girl in love, we're probably the only thing that could sooth her right now. The other's kind words might just make this worse, when we're not there to tell her ourselves.

>>103686
I'm not sure who I'm even talking to anymore. You may as well all be the same guy as the one at the start of the thread calling us heartless bastards because we didn't agree with his opinions.
>I think you're giving Rumia more credit than she deserves, simply for the sake of making you feel better about pulling a rather nasty move on her.
I think you're not giving her nearly enough.

This can be looked at from either angle, yes. And in all honesty, I don't really care what wins. If this were Rumia route, I'd be on your side. But it's not, therefore I'm trying to balance the field.

I'm sorry, but you're all stressing the Rumia thing far too much and sound as if you're pushing for votes instead of making any real arguments.
>> No. 103693
>>103685

But even then it might not be perfect, since this isn't fanon where Meiling's by her side, and Sakuya would have her hands full if Remilia overreacts. Since out of the bunch, Sakuya'd be the most caring yet levelheaded.

Patchy would be the ultimate in level-headedness but she isn't that close to Flan at all, but she'd go "I should have gotten rid of that pest" (Rumia)
>> No. 103694
Flip-flopping for around the third or fourth time for Rumia~

[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
-{X} Hold her, and keep talking to a minimum unless she says something to you first. She's well and truly scared right now - she needs comfort, not a bunch of rationalizations or apologies.
>> No. 103695
[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
-{X} Hold her, and keep talking to a minimum unless she says something to you first. She's well and truly scared right now - she needs comfort, not a bunch of rationalizations or apologies.

This is the third time I've changed my vote.
>> No. 103696
>>103573
This. Please.
You people despair far too easily.

[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
-{X} Hold her, and keep talking to a minimum unless she says something to you first. She's well and truly scared right now - she needs comfort, not a bunch of rationalizations or apologies.

After reading both sides of each argument, these options are sound. Vote carefully.
>> No. 103697
>>103692

Speaking from an outside perspective (sort of), I think you and the guy you're talking to are taking this whole thing too damn seriously. I like a good argument here and there to pepper up the threads, but the personal attack (I don't care which started it) are completely uncalled for an outrageously immature.

Relax, it's just a game.
>> No. 103700
Could everyone stop talking about the despair possibilities. I don't think I'm the only one who enjoys this story because it's fun so if anyone could start talking about the positive results, it would make this thread look less like a list of possible bad ends.
>> No. 103701
>>103692

>And now we come full circle to insulting me. How obvious the trend.

... is it that terribly surprising after you insulted me?

>The hell you haven't.

I haven't. If you would care to point out where I insulted your intentions personally prior to that remark, then by all means, do so. I may well rescind my comment and apologize.

>That's not what I meant. She doesn't matter now. If we are on a Flandre route, then anything that could deter or corrupt that is best to be avoided. She comes first, everything else second. And if being acquainted to her at all is harmful to this route, she should be quickly disposed of.

Ah, now, see, I suppose this is a difference of approach. I just tend not to consider routes save for when I'm in a positive position; I'll put my time into one person when the time is free, and I'll try to deal with everyone to at least the best of my ability when in a negative position. Your approach feels too much like discarding relationships simply because they're inconvenient in some regard, which just feels distasteful to me, but if it works for you, then so be it.

As for anything else, at this point I'm inclined to simply agree to disagree with you. I'd rather not drag this argument out any longer.
>> No. 103702
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[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.

As Jin himself has said, Flandre is not her sister. What probably should have been realized is that's for better and for worse. Remilia might have been able to be talked down about seeing Jin and Rumia in bed together, but Flandre? Not so likely to happen.

Regardless of what state she's in now, Flandre is clearly in no mood for talk, and pushing her now would at best just drive her to further shut out Jin. At worst, it might even drive her to lash out at him, and unlike Remilia she might not be able to stop herself before it's too late.

Meanwhile, there's a girl right in front of you, sobbing her eyes out after being utterly terrified for her life, whose current state is partially your fault.

Flandre might cool down a little bit if given some time alone, but Rumia is probably going to continue to be as fearful for her life come Monday as she was just now. At the very least, we can apologize for putting her in the position we did, and let her know that we're not going to let anything happen to her.

Granted, if Flandre really wants to do something to her, there's not a whole lot we could to to stop her, but aside from Remilia and possibly Patchy, we still probably have a better chance at talking her down from doing something than anyone else in Gensokyo.

Besides, isn't this sort of thing exactly why some of you were so gung-ho about all that training? For Jin to not only learn to protect himself, but to protect others?
Well, now you've got someone to protect. Especially since that someone considers you her "bro", and last I checked it's a brother's duty to protect his sister.


>>Just being chastely social in a room isn't the same thing as being in the same bed sleeping.

To a sane, rational, normal, well-developed person, sure. Guess what Flandre isn't.
In case you've forgotten, she broke someone's wrist just because Jin said "ow" while they were groping him, and seemed to be fully prepared to get into a fight that would have almost certainly leveled a good chunk of the forest had Jin not intervened.

As easy as it is to forget with how she's largely behaved so far, forgetting about things like just why she has the reputation she has, and why the school's faculty take her mental stability to very seriously is no less foolish than forgetting about Rumia's fondness for human flesh and deciding to strut around in front of her, completely naked, while rubbing steak sauce all over your body.

Flandre is an insane, socially-inexperienced girl who has been isolated for centuries. "Normal" women can get jealous just because their boyfriend was looking at a cute waitress a little too long. Why would you expect Flandre, of all people, to react in anything resembling a rational manner over this?


Frankly, it amazes me how every time Anon comes up with something he's convinced is a great idea that can't possibly fail, they start crying foul (or DESPAIR, TROLLING, KIRAAAAAA, TERUYOOOOOOOO, KAAAAAAAAAAAHN, etc.) when it doesn't work like they thought it would.

Then someone says something to the effect of how "we didn't expect this to happen" even though there clearly did by virtue of the fact that they voted for a different course of action. Even if they didn't anticipate that specific outcome or for it to be as bad as it was, they still clearly thought there was an option with a better chance of ending well than that one.

Ah well, such is the way it goes here.
>> No. 103703
>Especially since that someone considers you her "bro", and last I checked it's a brother's duty to protect his sister.

This. I don't care what else you think, you are not worth anything if you can't agree with this.
>> No. 103704
>>103690

Thing is we made our last vote optimistically and it backfired.

But those voting for Flan feel that they can help now, a positive spirit, but it's hard to be positive when things go worse than expected. (But I don't think we'd be trying that again anytime other than the FAR future.)

>>103691

Blame what happened, if votes seem to backfire, people worry about what else might go wrong.
>> No. 103706
>>103704
And those voting for Rumia think they can help someone in need who did nothing to deserve what she got.
>> No. 103707
>>103702
>Well, now you've got someone to protect.
We should be protecting Flandre from herself and from hurting others just because we hurt her. We need to set things straight, or she'll let it fester into something bigger, then we'll never be able to stop it.

If she really is pissed off right now, do you think it would be a good idea to leave her alone to vent even more frustration on any unfortunate passerby?

>>103697
The only thing I can say is "They started it!"

Seriously, though. If it weren't for that one bastard screaming at us every time someone voted for chasing after Flandre, I wouldn't even be arguing right now.

I don't want the Rumia lovers to gain leverage just because they're not satisfied with the Flandre route. They're favoring her out of bias instead out of what's good for the game.

Emotion wise, I think Flandre has the bigger problem. Game wise, I think we should go after Flandre. Am I trying to persuade and manipulate the voters to go after Flandre? No. I'm trying to make this even. Countering every argument my opponent has, so that the voters look inside themselves, and listen only to themselves, about what they think is right. Because this can be seen from both sides.

>>103701
I'm sorry. I'm not sure who I'm insulting anymore or if I even insulted anyone in the first place. So far I've kept myself from just saying "Shut the fuck up" because some of this sounds like you're just being sore and manipulative.

Christ, I have a headache.
>> No. 103708
[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
-{X} Hold her, and keep talking to a minimum unless she says something to you first. She's well and truly scared right now - she needs comfort, not a bunch of rationalizations or apologies.

Discussion aside, I forgot to vote.
>> No. 103709
>>103702
>Rumia's fondness for human flesh and deciding to strut around in front of her, completely naked, while rubbing steak sauce all over your body.
...Taisa, write this. Please.
>> No. 103710
[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
-{X} Hold her, and keep talking to a minimum unless she says something to you first. She's well and truly scared right now - she needs comfort, not a bunch of rationalizations or apologies.

just read what everybody else who validated their reason for voting this way said, I have nothing to add to that.
>> No. 103711
>>103707
I'm not trying to start another argument but I think you're forgetting those who think that helping Rumia will help us get with Flandre in the end.

If Flandre needs time to cool down, chasing her might not be the best solution, maybe she knows she's near breakdown and wants to be as far away from Jin as possible until she is able to have a discussion with him without thinking of making him explode or whatever.
>> No. 103712
>>103702

But at the same time Rumia could slowly recover (I doubt this is the first time she's been so spooked in her longer that it looks life. I can imagine her trying to attack a tengu and regretting it) and this might start a bad series of events.

And the thing with Remilia is that while moody, things don't linger that long with her, while this could take root in the worse of ways if she made up her mind in the wrong way.

If it was another character walking out like this, I'd be inclined to have them do so, since chances are depending on who they will cool down and be receptive.

And for all we know she might rather be left alone. She seems to be the type who rather not get sympathy from a human (or at least act like it as a measure to save face)

>>103706
Both sides have their points, but I'd think Flan would have the higher weight, especially since while there's no official route lock, she's the one most likely in the spot, thus the highest priority. There's also the social structure to consider; the fallout could easily turn a chunk of the school against him in the worse case.

And I see Flan as the one with the higher fallout rate than Rumia if ignored.

>>103700
But when it comes to things like this, one has to consider the negative since it's a negative event that caused this.
>> No. 103713
>>103711
>think you're forgetting those who think that helping Rumia will help us get with Flandre in the end.
There's still no valid reasoning for this. Explain to me if you will, in detail, how this could possibly work that way.
>> No. 103714
[x] Say to Rumia really quick, "I'm sorry..."
[x] Chase after Flandre.
-{x} Offer to walk her home; you had hoped to stay at the mansion for the weekend anyway, right? (But don't mention the second part unless everything goes well)
-{x} Explain that you were just waiting for her to arrive, and that Rumia's just a recently made friend, nothing more at all.
>> No. 103715
>>103707

That's my point, Flan has a greater weight on the flow of this 'game' due to her being the dominant female for so long. If the 'route' fails and ends up locked off, the story will no doubt feel it, and so would the voters. (That isn't including the likely chance of a vengeful derailment)
>> No. 103716
>>103713

I don't think anyone's thinking those lines at all, it's a matter of who they consider more important in such a case.

Both sides have their reasons, and their own opinion on how to proceed along the best best path in this case.
>> No. 103717
>>103713
First off, Flandre is unstable. Second, she was in that state because she felt betrayed by Jin, being friendly with someone she dislikes, not because Rumia was there. Since she is unstable and that her egative emotions are currently directed at Jin for "betraying" her, she might lash out against him without thinking of consequences if she totally loses it. She might have noticed it and want to get away because she knows she does not want to risk being with Jin while she might lose it soon.

Staying with Rumia is the current choice with the greatest number of votes that lets us stay away from Flandre while she cools down.
>> No. 103718
>>Am I the only one who doesn't feel sorry for Rumia after all of the shit she's pulled?

I won't disagree that, in a way, this is something Rumia probably had coming to her.
Just as she first picked on Jin and tried to make a meal of him for no other reason them him being there, Flandre was menacing her for no other reason than being with the guy she likes in his room.
However, it's because Jin was in the exact same position Rumia is in now that we should be able to relate to her now, and the fact that she's clearly not handling it as well as Jin had is why she deserves our sympathy.

To know and understand what it's like to feel pain and fear is to know and understand how it feels to others. Because of this event, we should have empathy for Rumia, and show it to her, so that she may learn to feel it herself.
>> No. 103719
[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
-{X} Hold her, and keep talking to a minimum unless she says something to you first. She's well and truly scared right now - she needs comfort, not a bunch of rationalizations or apologies.
>> No. 103720
>>103717

That's assuming that those negative feelings don't become something worse in the process. Or other shit doesn't happen when Flan mentions her day so far to her sister.

That and I think most of the folks are making up such notions (not exactly saying your intentions are such) just to justify a sudden change over to Rumia route. (The anti-flan crowd would be that petty)
>> No. 103721
One thing should be mentionned, though, there is no route lock, in both situations we might be able to get back the other side anyway. Taisa did not shoot down the harem idea (Yes, I know that's a bit too optimistic but anyway) so getting both of them to like each other might be possible if we work for it. That would require everyone to work together however, which might be a bit hard. The reward would be worth it in the end though.

So everyone, it's just a choice, not a definitive end to a route. If both side agree to help the other get there in the end everyone might win.
>> No. 103722
>>103720

>(The anti-flan crowd would be that petty)

Okay, you know what? Just as an aside, I want to say that you - and I don't mean the Flanfags, I mean you - make yourself look way more petty than the "anti-Flan" crowd, who so far have demonstrated a willingness to vote in ways that favor Flan, so long as they can interact with other people too. On the other hand, there's you and the guy who constantly says at every opportunity that there would be a bunch of "vengeful derailment" if the Flan route were avoided. You two look more petty than anyone here, so just drop it. You make the Flanfags look unreasonable and mean spirited, even if they aren't.
>> No. 103723
Gods, I don't know how any of you people ever got through a VN before.
>> No. 103724
>>103717
>she was in that state because she felt betrayed by Jin, being friendly with someone she dislikes, not because Rumia was there.
You think this, why? On one hand, you could say that anyone who isn't her is someone she dislikes, save for the rest of the SDM cast, and even then, she's been wary of her sister. On the other, more sensible hand, I believe she acted that way because we're being friendly with someone she already had bad blood with, not to mention the very person who tried to murder us, someone who is dear to her. It doesn't matter who it is, even we ourselves. We're actively putting ourselves in danger after she tried to save us the first time. Any girl would be incredulous and seriously confused at this.
>she might lash out against him without thinking of consequences if she totally loses it. She might have noticed it and want to get away because she knows she does not want to risk being with Jin while she might lose it soon.
Or, she may have wanted to get away because she was too conflicted with all the emotions to deal with it then and there. Who said it had to be violent? A girl would run out just so neither of them could see her crying.

On that, I don't see why anybody believed she would attack Rumia in Jin's house. It isn't proper, and it's embarrassing to do so in front of him. Even more weird is you thinking she'd attack Jin in his own house, or even out, when she's getting this upset over him. She hasn't cracked yet, she won't kill someone she cares about.

>Staying with Rumia is the current choice with the greatest number of votes
[x] Vote-spam check.
>> No. 103725
>>We should be protecting Flandre from herself and from hurting others just because we hurt her. We need to set things straight, or she'll let it fester into something bigger, then we'll never be able to stop it.

Set things straight how, exactly?
People thinking irrationally are, by definition, not exactly receptive to things like "logic" and "reason".
Just from what she saw in Jin's room, she's clearly thinking there's more going on than there really is. Do you seriously believe there's anything Jin could say to her while she's still in that frame of mind that she would actually believe?

Jin could follow her all the way back to the mansion, trying to explain himself while even swimming across the lake, and still get nothing more than the giant metal door to Flan's room/cell slamming in his face for his trouble.
...well, that and a bloody and possibly broken nose, depending on how close he is to said door at the time.
>> No. 103727
[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
-{X} Hold her, and keep talking to a minimum unless she says something to you first. She's well and truly scared right now - she needs comfort, not a bunch of rationalizations or apologies.
>> No. 103728
>>103725
>People thinking irrationally are, by definition, not exactly receptive to things like "logic" and "reason".
Comfort. We just need to tell her it's all okay. Besides, it's the plain truth. Rumia doesn't mean anything to us. We could even play the "We promise" or the "You don't trust us?" cards... Haha, okay. Nevermind.
>and still get nothing more than the giant metal door to Flan's room/cell slamming in his face for his trouble
Yeah, because Flandre is suddenly acting like a rebellious high-schooler instead of the little girl she was just a little while ago, and would completely ignore us no matter how hard we try. [/sarcasm]
>> No. 103729
>>We're actively putting ourselves in danger after she tried to save us the first time. Any girl would be incredulous and seriously confused at this.

You mean like how we actively put ourselves in danger of getting bitten again by agreeing to sleep with Flandre a second time? Something, I might add, that not even the girl who did the biting seemed too concerned about as a possibility?

>>Or, she may have wanted to get away because she was too conflicted with all the emotions to deal with it then and there. Who said it had to be violent?

She broke someone's wrist just for handling Jin a little too roughly, not to mention the way she was clearly prepared to reduce Rumia to a smear on the grass the first time she attacked Jin. Hell, she even put huge dents into the several inches of reinforced metal that was her door after she bit Jin the first time. Clearly, she's not one to hold back when she's upset by something.

As you mention, Rumia is someone she clearly has bad blood with, so I must ask how is it you could expect her not to be violent?

>>On that, I don't see why anybody believed she would attack Rumia in Jin's house. It isn't proper, and it's embarrassing to do so in front of him.

She attacked Mokou, a total stranger to her at that point, for doing less to Jin than what Rumia has done, and was prepared to even fight her when challenged.

Besides, even if she didn't attack her, she was clearly taking advantage of the intimidation factor she has over the little darkness-manipulator. As "improper" as it might have been to attack her, I don't thing that doing what she did to someone so clearly uncomfortable and scared shitless of her is really any better.
>> No. 103730
>>103721

Yeah right, those anti-flan fans would never consent, neither would some Flan fans.

If it wasn't for the attitude "harem routes are bad", it'd be the structure of the story and the pridefulness of the fans that'd prevent such a possibility.

As far as I figure those that vote for Flan:

Flan fans
Folks who feel this is best for the flow of the story.
Perhaps folks who are not fond of Rumia.

Those who vote for Rumia
Anti-Flan fans
Rumia fans
Folks who think Flan isn't the important choice.

and while there isn't any official routes, it's the matter of "fucking things up past the point of no return" which this has the potential to do in terms of a Flan route. If that happens the resulting Rumia route would leave a bad taste in people's mouths because it'd be won through trickery and sabotage. And imagine the guilt some people would feel voting for Rumia who didn't intend for such a thing to happen.

>>103723

VNs aren't written by people who like to cause shitstorms.

>>103724
double on the [x] Vote spam check

I do agree with this point.

>>103722
you're assuming they're not. The fact there's been such tide pissing in the face of things shows them to be a persistent bunch. And it's due to their actions that there's doubt on any votes to talk with other people or even here.

That and a Rumia route won through trickery won't settle well with people, so in the best case, people will just drop the story.

>>103725

See >>103724 for the counter point.
>> No. 103733
>>103730
>Flan fans
>Folks who feel this is best for the flow of the story.

Here we go again.
>> No. 103735
>>103730

>you're assuming they're not. The fact there's been such tide pissing in the face of things shows them to be a persistent bunch. And it's due to their actions that there's doubt on any votes to talk with other people or even here.

I can't even tell which side you're talking about, but you're right in either case: I'm assuming that most of the readers are decent people. They might argue, they might whine, but I don't think any of them just blindly anti-vote crap. You're maligning the character of every reader of this story; I mean, some of them may be idiots, but saying that damn near everyone reading this is petty and nasty makes you like worse than all of them.
>> No. 103736
>>103733

I never said the two groups were the same, just summing up the possible reasons why people vote the way they do.

>>103735
I didn't say everyone was like that, but it's those few that make certain things suspicious.
>> No. 103740
>>103729
>You mean like how we actively put ourselves in danger of getting bitten again by agreeing to sleep with Flandre a second time? Something, I might add, that not even the girl who did the biting seemed too concerned about as a possibility
She was scared and crying the first time. She probably put it as far out of her memory as possible. I doubt she even considered it would happen again. But this time it wasn't a bite on the neck, she was suckling on our fingers. We haven't told her what happened and she most likely never figured it out.
>so I must ask how is it you could expect her not to be violent?
Because we said that we're now on good terms. She had a little trouble accepting that leading to her acting the way she did. She's not about to go against Jin's wishes (while she's still moderately sane, that is). Maybe it could have been violent if not for us reasoning with her, but she resisted temptation nonetheless.
>She attacked Mokou, a total stranger to her at that point, for doing less to Jin than what Rumia has done, and was prepared to even fight her when challenged.
A total stranger, hurting someone she cares about. Yeah, anyone would rush right in and do what she did. In fact, that's what we as the protagonist have done in many stories.
>she was clearly taking advantage
Or she was holding back as best she could from ignoring Jin and attacking her. She was still trying to come to terms with it all, and that lead to her emotions becoming angry and hateful. Basically the same shit I just said.
>> No. 103741
>>103740

Nice point, but I can see the Rumia debater countering back.

"And the battle will last for eternity!"- Evil Richter, SotN; true for this arguement at least until Taisa updates again.
>> No. 103742
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103742
I don't even know whether I should pity or stand in admiration of Taisa; these shit storms end up just as (unintentionally) entertaining as actual updates.
>> No. 103743
>>103741
>Nice point, but I can see the Rumia debater countering back.
Of course.

Oh, painkillers give me strength.
>> No. 103744
>>103742

Indeed. I'm just sad this thread's going to end with "But you're wrong! But you're wrong! But you're wrong!" With no realy update,
>> No. 103745
>>103728
>>Comfort. We just need to tell her it's all okay.
I don't think it really helps to comfort someone by telling them a situation is "okay" when their problem is with the fact the situation exists in the first place.

>>Besides, it's the plain truth. Rumia doesn't mean anything to us.

Rumia might not mean anything to you, but for Jin to say that would be less "plain truth" and more "blatant lie".

He asked her to be his friend after winning the duel. He trusted her to take him back home when he couldn't move afterward. He refused Remilia's offer to "deal with her", and even feared for the little monster's safety because of what he thought Remi might do to her.
He also refused Patchouli's own offers to deal with her, and even gave her a lengthy explanation as to why he neither hates nor fears the little nutjob despite the things she's done, and even admitting that he finds her fun, in a bizarre sort of way.

Hell, if Rumia meant nothing at all to Jin, why even bother trying to get her and Flandre to get along?

Like it or not, but the little monster does mean something to our protagonist, even if she means nothing to you. Even if it's as just a friend, that's still something she means to him, and to say otherwise is no less dishonest than claiming you were late back to class because of an exceptionally long bathroom break.

>>Yeah, because Flandre is suddenly acting like a rebellious high-schooler instead of the little girl she was just a little while ago, and would completely ignore us no matter how hard we try. [/sarcasm]

No, she's suddenly behaving like an jealous female who found the guy she likes hanging out with another girl, which she is because Jin was.

Compare Flandre's reaction to the totally innocent scene of Jin drawing while Rumia sits on his bed to Remilia's reaction to seeing Jin and Rumia sleeping together. Consider just how prone to over-reaction Remilia had shown herself to be up to that point, and I'd say it's a pretty good indicator of just how irrationally Flandre is thinking.

When a girl is upset about something you did, trying to explain to her right away why she shouldn't be upset about what you did doesn't really help matters much. When the girl has a long history of mental instability behind her, as well?

There's surely a way to explain things to her, to come to an understanding with her, and resolve this situation, but running after her with nothing but excuses isn't the way to do it.
>> No. 103746
>>103745

I think it might be more or less the feelings Flan's having than the scene.

And the point is getting Flan to consider Rumia not a threat in any form, and being a recently made friend is a fact compared to other things.

But I think trying would at least count for something as in not having those feelings fester into something worse.

And Remilia at that scene really didn't overreact; the fact Jin's still alive is proof of that. She gave him the benefit of a doubt.

And on that matter it seems Remilia didn't tell Flan about Rumia. Perhaps if we ever get to the mansion, we can have Remilia help explain things.

Though even though we talked Patchy out of doing anything to Rumia, the fact she said she'd do what was best for him, even over his own objections (mirroring what he said to her when he did just that) shows that if she considers Rumia a critical threat, she will remove said threat.
>> No. 103747
>>103745
>I don't think it really helps to comfort someone by telling them a situation is "okay" when their problem is with the fact the situation exists in the first place.
Otherwise known as conveniently breaking up the sentence to make it sound stupid. Where'd the quality of this argument go?
>the little monster does mean something to me, even if she means nothing to you.
Fixed.

You're twisting my meanings. I meant she means nothing to us as a lover, or even really a friend, with the way he's constantly complaining about her shenanigans. He still feels sorry for her, but compared to Flandre, there is no competition (or rather, should be none) for whom he is willing to go out of the way for to make happy. It is really more like pity. Besides, Jin's mental monologue didn't scold Flandre for acting that way, but instead decided to sympathize with her. I think that speaks for itself. His priorities have Flandre as first, not Rumia.
>Remilia's reaction
She didn't overreact to Rumia. She only gave us the possibility of getting rid of her when we said she was annoying us.
>When a girl is upset about something you did, trying to explain to her right away why she shouldn't be upset about what you did doesn't really help matters much. When the girl has a long history of mental instability behind her, as well?
So instead you let it fester? Let her think Rumia is more important than she is? Give her a chance to combat your excuses with irrationalizations? Maybe she's hoping we'll chase after her. Ever think of that?

Again, she didn't just turn into a jealous teenager. She's just a little girl who became jealous, and knows no better.
>> No. 103748
Why can't we go after both of them ;_;
>> No. 103749
>>Nice point, but I can see the Rumia debater countering back.
Damn right I will.

>>Because we said that we're now on good terms.
Doesn't matter. No matter how good of terms Jin and Rumia are on right now, the fact of the matter is that Flandre is not on good terms with her.

Hell, if anything Rumia being on good terms with Jin probably makes the whole thing even worse for Flandre. Where before, she was just a threat to Jin's safety, now she's competition for his attention.

>>A total stranger, hurting someone she cares about. Yeah, anyone would rush right in and do what she did. In fact, that's what we as the protagonist have done in many stories.

We, as the protagonist, have rushed in and broken people's bones for nothing more than handling someone just a tad too roughly?
Mokou wasn't trying to kill Jin, or even actually hurt him. So she may have squeezed or pinched him just hard enough to elicit an "ow" from him. That might warrant Flandre stepping him and telling her "Hey. Cut that out." But slapping away her hand with enough force that it broke her wrist as a result? That's a rather excessive amount of force, given the circumstances, don't you think?
>> No. 103750
>>103749
>We, as the protagonist, have rushed in and broken people's bones for nothing more than handling someone just a tad too roughly?

In other stories, yes, the lead often overreacts

>Hell, if anything Rumia being on good terms with Jin probably makes the whole thing even worse for Flandre. Where before, she was just a threat to Jin's safety, now she's competition for his attention.

All the more reason to assure her that her spot isn't going to be taken by Rumia.

Also Flan was showing restraint then, the fact that her wrist was merely broken shows that much. Restraint isn't her strongest point.
>> No. 103751
>>103750

>Also Flan was showing restraint then, the fact that her wrist was merely broken shows that much. Restraint isn't her strongest point.

That makes me feel like we should let her be by herself for a little bit, really. If she's bad at showing restraint, then messing with her when she's already pissed off at us probably isn't the wisest of ideas.
>> No. 103752
>>103749
>Doesn't matter. No matter how good of terms Jin and Rumia are on right now, the fact of the matter is that Flandre is not on good terms with her.
Yes, but she restrained herself for our wishes. Read a little more carefully, will you? I already explained this.
>now she's competition for his attention.
But she isn't a competition, and we need to tell her that. We're already blowing her off to spend the weekend at the mansion. With little guilt, I might add.
>We, as the protagonist, have rushed in and broken people's bones for nothing more than handling someone just a tad too roughly?
Yes. In these cases it's usually some rapist and the object of our affection, or another girl we feel pity for. Anon is not afraid to leap out and play hero. Why do you think it would be any different for a girl who sees a man in this position and had the same power to stop it? We're in Gensokyo; gender roles are pretty much reversed, here.
>That might warrant Flandre stepping him and telling her "Hey. Cut that out."
Again, she doesn't know any better. She was never really taught how to handle other people, especially outside of a high-class environment.
>But slapping away her hand with enough force that it broke her wrist as a result? That's a rather excessive amount of force, given the circumstances, don't you think?
She got defensive, nervous, and acted too quickly before she could think. She doesn't quite know her own strength, and wouldn't know how to control it to such a low degree. It probably would have been even worse if she wasn't trying to keep up the whole "normal" charade in front of Jin. Just another day in conflict-stricken Gensokyo.
>> No. 103753
>>103751
She's showed restraint so far, and against an enemy she would have rather crushed. She's not about to lose it against someone she actually likes.

Again, who said she's more angry than sad? She may end up breaking down and crying, and she has a lot more on her mind that could cause harm later on if left alone for too long.
>> No. 103754
>>103753
I agree we should probably talk it out with Flan sooner than later, but leaving Rumia in the broken down mess she is right now most likely would end up just as bad as ignoring Flan would. She probably used up every ounce of restraint she could on not killing Rumia right there.
>> No. 103755
>>103754

Yet chances are either option would take up a large amount of time.

And we're assuming that Rumia doesn't want to be left alone.

And the point is we must make a choice of who is more important. I know who that person is, and she just ran out the door.

>>103748
Not the way the choice is structured. It is a one thing or the other choice, quite by design.
>> No. 103756
>>103754
Rumia does not have conflicting emotions about Jin, though. Nor does she think Flandre is a threat to her relationship with him, or a competition for his attention. She doesn't have many feelings for him beyond revenge.

A lot of people think she's a scared little girl. She's not. She tried to kill us, she toys with us whenever she can get the chance. She's a malevolent little girl. I would not be surprised that after trying to comfort her, she'd pop her head out from under the blanket, stick her tongue out, and giggle like the little devil's spawn that she is.
>> No. 103757
>>That makes me feel like we should let her be by herself for a little bit, really. If she's bad at showing restraint, then messing with her when she's already pissed off at us probably isn't the wisest of ideas.

Well, at the very least she's bad at showing restraint when the safety of those she cares about is concerned, even if there was no real threat to the loved one's safety to begin with. For example, when she made a new exit for the hedge maze because Remilia and Jin were away for too long (though now I'm wondering if there wasn't more to that than we thought), or the whole bit with Mokou.

The problem isn't just the lack of restraint, it's the lack of restraint over an irrational thought.

Now, though, I'm going to completely contradict my previous posts, and suggest that perhaps Flandre isn't being entirely irrational at this time.

Let's think of this from her perspective. The last time she knew anything about the relationship between Jin and Rumia, it was that one tried to kill the other. That's it. Yet now, two weeks later, she suddenly finds the two of them in Jin's room. Granted, they aren't obviously doing anything, but the very fact that they're there together at all would almost certainly come as a bit of a shock.

Remember when Jin convinced Mystia to not help Rumia in Attack Attempt #3? When Rumia responded by asking just when the hell those two became so close (even if it wasn't that close at all)? I imagine this is a similar reaction, but much stronger.

It's obvious Jin has been doing a lot that Flandre doesn't know about these past two weeks if he's got the girl who tried to kill him just hanging out in his bedroom. It would certain raise the question of just what the nature of their relationship is, and just what he might be feeling for this little monster.

Judging by the way Flandre threw out one of those "any answer you give me is wrong" questions, I'd say she has a pretty good idea already formed as to what that relationship might be.

However, I still do not believe that going right after her and directly trying to explain things to her is going to help much.
If you're going to sort things out with her, I think it would be good to use a mediator. Someone who knows Jin's side of things, at least partially, and who Flandre would be willing to listen to.

I can think of two people who might fit the bill. One of them, you might want to get to before Flandre does. The other, you might want to get to before the one Flandre goes to gets to you.
>> No. 103758
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103758
>double on the [x] Vote spam check

Feels good to vote for Rumia.
No one wants Sakuya, so let's make sure the Rumia route prevails in the end.
>> No. 103759
>>103756

There's that, dunno how likely that is, but I wouldn't it past her to pull a stunt like that.
>> No. 103760
>>103757

Are you suggesting we use the library card to get to Patchy to help us out?

Dunno you might be overly paranoid on the other end, but I can't exactly disagree. And facts are there's no other way we can get to the mansion before she does.

But that makes me realize using the cards might tip her off to more things if this is true.

>>103758
That's why we want the vote spam check, as to ensure people like you aren't triple voting.

And it wasn't that people didn't want Sakuya, it's that more people wanted Flan. Quite a feat considering how if it was any other sdm girl, Sakuya'd have won.
>> No. 103761
>>103756
>>She doesn't have many feelings for him beyond revenge.
>>A lot of people think she's a scared little girl. She's not. She tried to kill us, she toys with us whenever she can get the chance. She's a malevolent little girl. I would not be surprised that after trying to comfort her, she'd pop her head out from under the blanket, stick her tongue out, and giggle like the little devil's spawn that she is.

I'd say you're probably wrong about her, and only taking her at purely face-value, but unfortunately the only way to know for sure is to go the route you're clearly not willing to go.

It really is a pity we can't go for both. Just as there's more to Flandre than the naive little girl or the ticking time-bomb she seems to be, there's almost certainly more to Rumia than the sadistic little nutjob who wants to hunt Jin for sport.
>> No. 103762
>>103756
I think Rumia's grown up a little bit. The part of her that wanted to kill us, I think, is gone.

And just leaving her to run for Flan, who could just ignore everything we have to say to her won't help her become less of a Devil Spawn. Getting abandoned by someone you consider a brother right after fearing for your life isn't good at all.

>>103758
Shit like this isn't helping.
>> No. 103763
>>103761

Rumia's personality seems more simple, Rumia comes of as playfully antagonistic most of the time as our 'sister'. It's this attitude that makes some wonder if she's still scared or wanting to play a prank, or just wants to be left alone.
>> No. 103764
>>103757
>I can think of two people who might fit the bill. One of them, you might want to get to before Flandre does. The other, you might want to get to before the one Flandre goes to gets to you.
Patchouli didn't know about our relationship with Rumia until just recently. It wouldn't exactly be fair to put her on the spot like that. She also may not even be able to help us out in reasoning with Flandre. As someone previously stated, they don't seem like they're all that close. Flandre might even question our relationship with Patchy if we were to bring her into this. Remilia especially would.

Meiling would probably stay out of it. Remilia would most likely side with Flandre even if we got to her first. Koakuma is useless and Sakuya would tell us to handle our differences by ourselves, assuming she's not quite as protective of Flandre as she was during the bathtub scene. If she was, she'd casually get off the subject and question our relationship with Rumia. She might even suggest ending it, otherwise not agreeing to calm Flandre down until we fixed the problem.

Anyone outside of SDM wouldn't help. Cirno would just make it worse.
>> No. 103765
>>103756

Why is this topic still going? There's nothing new being said. The Flandre supporters are going "LOVE LOVE FLAN-CHAN! PURE AND BEAUTIFUL! HER REACTION IS COMPLETELY SENSABLE! CURSE THE HEATHENS WHO DO NOT AGREE!!"; the Rumia supporters are going "MUST HUG LOLI-YOUKAI-IMOUTO-CHAN! WE CAN'T STAND TO SEE A GIRL CRY! A CURSE ON THOSE WHO DON'T AGREE!", and it's all one big pointless cycle that accomplishes nothing but wasting topic space. Just let it go.
>> No. 103766
>>103760
No fear, i stopped double or triple voting already since we got mods. Would be useless and i am too lazy to use some proxies.
What is happening now is that all the forgotten people vote for Rumia just because they are pissed off at the high and mighty Flan Fans. Even i am amused at what is happening, i just have pity with Taisa, sucks to be him right now.

Some kind of route lock or let us at least settle on a target. The whole voting in the last threads is like a drunken guy, swaying to the left and the right, let's pray we don't fall down and choke on our own vomit.
>> No. 103767
>>103762

Everything comes down to assumptions, on both sides, since to be honest we do not know how each side would react.

How the Rumia side sees things.

Flan: Shut up and leave me alone!
Rumia: Sniff.... Bro

Here's how the flan voters see things

Flan'd be crying worried as we assure her

While Rumia would rather be left alone or in the worse case, was pulling a prank on us.

Point is I think the argument has reached a point where it's going in circles basically since each side is clinging to their assumptions, and the same points are being repeated.
>> No. 103768
>>103763
That's another thought. Our efforts to calm her down could go to waste if she hates us for putting her through that right now. She just needs a little time to herself.
>> No. 103769
>>103760
>>Are you suggesting we use the library card to get to Patchy to help us out?

Not at all. While this might fall under something that would risk Flandre's mental stability, and thus a potentially serious matter, I doubt Patchy would consider it an particularly worthwhile use of something that too a good deal of time and energy to make.
In the even an angry Remilia comes after your head, then the card would be worth using. But then, that's assuming Remilia would get THAT angry.

Remember, she already knows about Rumia staying at Jin's house, and in his room. She's even seen the two of them in a far more compromising position than the one Flandre found them in.
Though the "overprotective big sister" side of her might want to tear Jin's lungs out for upsetting Flandre, hopefully she's aware of enough of the facts for the more rational side of her to realize that Flandre is overreacting a bit, and thus make her more inclined to help patch things up between the two of them.

Of course, since she likes Jin, maybe Remi would just want to kill Rumia. A relatively better outcome for Jin, and would certainly make some Anons happy, but I think it would be a bit out-of-character for Jin to just stand idly by and let the girl he made a point of dealing with on his own be killed by someone else, especially when she wasn't even doing anything.
>> No. 103770
[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
-{X} Hold her, and keep talking to a minimum unless she says something to you first. She's well and truly scared right now - she needs comfort, not a bunch of rationalizations or apologies.
>> No. 103771
>>103767
You make it sound like everyone voting to stay with Rumia is basically a blubbering idiot who isn't thinking it through even somewhat, and that there's absolutely no way she wants us to comfort her.

I really think Flan wants to be by herself, the thing that worries me is if she goes to Remilia.
>> No. 103772
>>103769

But then how would we get to the mansion before Flan then? Since she could easily fly across the lake quickly, and tell Meiling that she isn't giving any more rides.

We may be fast enough to catch up to flan walking away, but not fast enough to get past her to the mansion.

>>103768
Yeah it's a possibility.
>> No. 103773
>>Sakuya would tell us to handle our differences by ourselves, assuming she's not quite as protective of Flandre as she was during the bathtub scene.

I dunno, she seemed more than willing to help protect Jin regarding the whole "disobeying Remilia and getting bitten by Flandre" thing.
Setting her own feelings for the boy aside, I'd wager she'd gladly help out as long as she views his continued friendship with the sisters to be worth maintaining.

She was willing to lie to her own, beloved mistress just to keep Jin and his relationship with the Scarlets alive. I wouldn't dismiss her ability or willingness to help so quickly.

Then again, she probably doesn't know about the Rumia situation, either, but at least she's more well-informed about what Jin does and does not know about Gensokyo to make explaining things to her simpler.
>> No. 103774
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103774
[X] Pounce Rumia. Pull off her seal of a ribbon. Await horrible, horrible death.

OR

[X] Lake yourself.

Or, more seriously:

[X] Apologize to Rumia. You didn't intend for this to happen. Explain briefly that you hoped the two could at the very least not be at odds. After all, to have two of your friends (or more, but don't say that to her) be at odds with each other would require social graces that are far above your own ability and far more than your (already tenuous hold on) sanity can handle.
- [X] Wait for her response as appropriate, but head off if she takes more than a while. Have to catch up to Flandre, after all.
[X] Catch up to Flandre and apologize similarly, explaining your reasoning for doing what you did. It would have been great if they could tolerate each other's presence, and you would have felt quite happy if they could get along.
- [X] Listen to Flandre's response and react appropriately.
[X] Go get some tacos. Share them with Reimu.
>> No. 103775
>>103771

No my point is that rumia voters assume it's Rumia that wants comfort, not Flan while with Flan voters, it's the other way around.

>>103769
On the Rumia matter, if anyone's going to go ahead and 'deal' with her, It'd be Patchy (remember what she said to us?) if she thought that Rumia ended up too great of a threat to things.
>> No. 103776
>>103774
>Go get some tacos

As if some tacos could help save the situation. We need to get them both back togethger and start drinking. Last one standing... or sitting.
>> No. 103777
>>103773
She's running a house of cards, though. She's not about to make her mistress unhappy. She's willing to cut us down the moment we screw up beyond repair. She may even threaten the both of us to keep this between ourselves and make sure Remilia doesn't find out.

>>103774
My hat to you, good sir.
>> No. 103779
>>103774

Sounds great, but I get the feeling Taisa would not make it work, otherwise he wouldn't have created such a scene in the first place.

Had that little thing gone well, things would have gotten too peaceful and no real shitstorms at all.

We can't have that now.

So yeah I guess we should have seen it coming, not due to the supposed blood feud, but due to the writefag's love of shitstorms.
>> No. 103780
>>103775
Way you worded it just came off as biased to me, sorry.

Rumia looks like she just got mindfucked by Flan pretty hard, and Flan is really angry and hurt. It's really a guessing game, I suppose.
>> No. 103781
>>103776

Flan, Rumia, Jin and liquor. It's not a matter of if things go wrong, but how hilarious or disastrous the results are when they do go wrong.

>>103780

Yes which is why arguments along those lines are pointless, nothing is definitive.
>> No. 103783
Jesus fuck. >>103650 was a great post, and everything after that is just noise.

[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
-{X} Hold her, and keep talking to a minimum unless she says something to you first. She's well and truly scared right now - she needs comfort, not a bunch of rationalizations or apologies.

Relationships with both characters have taken a knock from this, but whatever, the idea of Rumia constantly hiding from Flandre is ridiculous anyway.
>> No. 103784
>>Yes which is why arguments along those lines are pointless, nothing is definitive.

Of course, if it was definitive there wouldn't be much point in offering choices, would there?

In fact, the only thing that is definite about this current situation is something that has already been hinted at in the story: you can't help both of them.

Remember the dream of the maze? Two girls, in two different places, both crying? You can help one or the other, but trying to go for both will just result in everything falling out from under you.

I think it's perhaps wrong to think of this as a matter of "which choice is the best to pick?" and view it more of a matter of "which choice do I want to pick most?"

Go for Flandre, and there are bound to be problems that crop up involving Rumia.
Go for Rumia, and there are bound to be problems that crop up involving Flandre.

Either way, we're not getting out of this without a lot more drama to deal with, so we may as well just not worry about it and cross those bridges when we come to them.
>> No. 103785
I am thoroughly enjoying the massive shit storm going on in this thread.

However, it would be a good idea to end it soon. Otherwise this thread will end up in auto-sage with two updates and a whole lot of bullshit made by retarded Anons.
>> No. 103786
>>103783

>>103650 was complete crap and that's what lead to an even greater elevated discussion.
>> No. 103787
[x] Say to Rumia really quick, "I'm sorry..."
[x] Chase after Flandre.
-[x] Offer to walk her home; you had hoped to stay at the mansion for the weekend anyway, right? (But don't mention the second part unless everything goes well)
-[x] Explain that you were just waiting for her to arrive, and that Rumia's just a recently made friend, nothing more at all.
>> No. 103789
>>103784

I think some Flan fans fear this ruining the route, something they worked hard to build and maintain.

But in the end we must go with what we think is right: Our little sister or our love interest.
>> No. 103791
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103791
>>103789
>>I think some Flan fans fear this ruining the route, something they worked hard to build and maintain.

Well, if those Flan fans had exercised a bit more caution, and not simply assumed you could bring those two together and have everything automatically work out perfectly, then maybe we wouldn't be in this situation.

Then again, if Rumia did hide, Flandre came in anyway, and found her out, that could probably have ended even worse than this well-meaning but ill-fated attempt did. So, who knows?
Maybe the whole purpose of this scene was to force Anon to make a definitive choice between the two, and this is the best that it could have hoped turn out.

Anon is too quick to assume the worst, and we've already been assured that there will be no "extended BAD END" shenanigans in this story. If and when we screw up, our punishment will be swift, brutal, and immediate. Even if it didn't play out as Anon had hoped, the fact that both he and his little sister are still breathing is proof enough he hasn't screwed the pooch too badly.

I mean, really now. It's a story based in a high school setting. Drama is pretty much inevitable, and things are always going to get worse before they get better. Have a little more faith, Anon, and take it easy. Don't start panicking just because we've hit a little turbulence. The real fun probably hasn't even begun, yet.
>> No. 103792
>>103791

When >>103784 mentioned the maze, it became clear that this move wasn't exactly out of the blue, it was planned. Had we hidden Rumia in the closet, it could have gone either way, if we had her go out the window, I think we would have delayed it. But instead we brought it out.

Who knows how things will play out, but there are no idort options.
>> No. 103793
Should shit suddenly start hitting the fan, it would be easier to apologize to Rumia at a later date. We have the affection and admiration of her "friends", and they know we meant well. She knows we're involved with Flandre; she probably would have made the same choice. In the worst case scenario, she might only forgive us after a danmaku rematch. Flandre on the other hand would be much harder to apologize to. With her unstable mind, and the whole of the Scarlet Devil Mansion looking out for her and wanting Rumia gone (even Patchouli), trying to stay on her good side and keeping Rumia safe would be nigh-impossible. In the worst case scenario, the only way she'd accept our apology would be by making several demands, the bulk of which would take up most of our time and leave us unable to spend it with anyone else.

Hardships either way, but I'd rather deal with one little girl than a little girl and her whole family.

>>103791
Had we hid her, I'm sure Flandre would have guessed Jin was up to something, or could have smelled Rumia in his room.

By the way, there may not be any drawn-out bad ends, but this isn't exactly a choice for bad ends. This is a drawn out arc of despair before we either screw the pooch or fix it. We may end up closing the route altogether. That doesn't mean a bad end, either. It could just mean going on to the next girl.

That promise of his really doesn't mean much.
>> No. 103795
When you harm a woman's heart, you need to fix it ASAP. Flandre's trust and hopes were destroyed; she was eager to spend the promised weekend of adventures with Jin, and all she got was him being friendly to her (current) nemesis, the very same person who tried to kill him once (three times, but she doesn't know that) and even tried to make them 'friends'. The poor girl was even wearing the special clothes he brought her!

Rumia, however, was just scared for her life. Because Flandre threatened her, sure, but think for a bit guys. If someone wants to kill another person, what do you do? Do you comfort the victim saying "it's gonna be alright, I'm sure you won't die painfully" or do you go after the possible killer and change her mind? Which is more effective way to prevent the victim's death?
>> No. 103796
Also, if the plot is coming, who would be a better ally? Flandre, Remilia, Patchouli, Sakuya, China and Cirno(best friend of Flandre, remember?), or Rumia, Mystia and Wriggle?
>> No. 103798
>220+ posts

>2 updates.

These threads get more and more disappointing.
>> No. 103799
>>103798

Fucking seriously. We need to make a thread or ten for the sole purpose of whining and debate for you fags.
>> No. 103803
Allow me to say, and this is coming from one of the few people who enjoys arguing at most junctures: this argument has long since passed the point of uselessness. All of you shut up. All of you.
>> No. 103804
>>103799
What, like a seperate thread on /words/ or something?
>> No. 103805
>>103804

Maybe. And have it permanetly linked to the story's thread. Whenever a shitstorm is coming, we just move to there and the thread shouldn't be derailed again
>> No. 103806
>>103805
And then /words/ was /taisa/.
>> No. 103807
起立。
>> No. 103808
>>103799
>>103804
>>103805
Something I had suggested in an earlier thread was to just use the old threads as the shitstorm grounds. They're already easy to find and can't be bumped so they won't clutter any of the boards.
>> No. 103809
>>103804
>>103805
There's already a thread on /words/

I'll link the story now.
>> No. 103811
I reckon you might as well just autosage this one already.
>> No. 103814
This seems the last chance for Flan fans to rally up before Taisa start counting votes (Since unless there's alot of vote spam on the Rumia end, chances are we'd end up on the Rumia route.)
>> No. 103815
>>103805
This shit will never work.
This discussion will never get carried over to /words/, people will discuss is here.
>> No. 103816
>>103814

As one of the fanatics Flanfans, I must confess I'm starting to lose interest in GH as a whole. I'm still trying to take things to the better path, though.
>> No. 103817
>>103815

Think it will as long as in the next thread people are reminded that the thread exists.

But since this is so close to autosage already, there's no harm in doing last bits of discussion and voting here.
>> No. 103818
[x] Say to Rumia really quick, "I'm sorry..."
[x] Chase after Flandre.
-[x] Offer to walk her home; you had hoped to stay at the mansion for the weekend anyway, right? (But don't mention the second part unless everything goes well)
-[x] Explain that you were just waiting for her to arrive, and that Rumia's just a recently made friend, nothing more at all.
>> No. 103820
>>103816
>I must confess I'm starting to lose interest in GH as a whole

Just because people are voting to interact with Rumia for this one particular choice?
>> No. 103821
>>103819

Because every choice turns into a shitstorm. It's fun every once in a while, but it gets old really quick.
>> No. 103822
>>103821
>every choice turns into a shitstorm

Whose fault is that?
>> No. 103823
>>103822

Everyone who participates.

And Taisa
>> No. 103824
>>103821

While I still enjoy the story, I do get your point as well. I used to like reading the discussion and differing viewpoints from various anons, but the incredible amount of overreaction whenever something goes wrong often has me skipping over everything but story posts in disgust.

Well, maybe not disgust. More like a degree of exasperation I've very rarely ever experienced.
>> No. 103825
Taisa doesn't even need to do a snow end, Anon does the job himself.
>> No. 103826
>>103825

Thank you for contributing to the conversation.
>> No. 103827
>>103823

True but as far as fans go, I'd place the weight with the anti-flan fans for futile but endless resistance. This latest mess cannot be entirely blamed on them, since it was also Flan fans that were overly optimistic about something.

>>103824
Because they fear if something goes wrong it'll lead to a snow end, since Taisa said while he wouldn't do it out of the blue, he'd do so if Anon screwed up enough. Question is how much is 'enough'

And in this particular choice it seems as if it'll have a major effect on the way things play out for a nice chunk of the story.
>> No. 103828
[x] Say to Rumia really quick, "I'm sorry..."
[x] Chase after Flandre.
-[x] Offer to walk her home; you had hoped to stay at the mansion for the weekend anyway, right? (But don't mention the second part unless everything goes well)
-[x] Explain that you were just waiting for her to arrive, and that Rumia's just a recently made friend, nothing more at all.
>> No. 103831
[x] Say to Rumia really quick, "I'm sorry..."
[x] Chase after Flandre.
-[x] Offer to walk her home; you had hoped to stay at the mansion for the weekend anyway, right? (But don't mention the second part unless everything goes well)
-[x] Explain that you were just waiting for her to arrive, and that Rumia's just a recently made friend, nothing more at all.
>> No. 103832
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103832
Am I the only one who isn't seeing this as any real sort of screw up, and just an inevitable development that would have happened sooner or later?

I mean, seriously, when have we ever had anything happen completely according to plan, without at least some form of complication arising as a result? Especially when Flandre was involved?

We agree to sleep with her, and we get bitten as a result.
We try to comfort her, only to get found out by one of the people we had tried to avoid while searching for her.
We involve Flandre in our trip to Eientei, and wind up having to defuse a potentially disastrous fight between her and Mokou.
We sleep with Flandre again, get bitten again, and wind up with yet another thing to cover up, and end up causing Eirin and Patchouli to become more wary about her stability because of it.

Honestly, I don't see any way the planned outing with Flandre had any chance of happening without something else popping up.
If you had blown off Rumia, she might have tried to follow you after you left. If you had offered to let Rumia come along, a situation just like this one would have occurred. If you had let Rumia hide in the room, Flandre would have found her out when she came in, and an even worse situation would have erupted.

So long as Rumia is staying with Jin, Flandre was going to have to find out about the two of them eventually, and if it wasn't like they were at this time, it would have been while they were in a far more compromising position.

When you're driving in the winter, you're bound to wind up sliding on some icy spots no matter how careful you are. What's important when you do is that you don't panic, keep calm, and don't get so wrapped up in trying to get out of it that you over-correct and make things even worse. You turn into the skid, you go with the motion, and in doing so have a far greater chance to regain control. It's when Anon keeps turning away, trying to fight against the things that are happening, that things begin spinning out of control until they crash into that wall. Or snowbank.

tldr; calm the fuck down, this too shall pass
>> No. 103835
>2 Updates
>250 posts and 16 images omitted
>> No. 103836
>>103835

I don't think it'll happen in the next thread with the discussion thread in /words/.
>> No. 103837
>>103832

I realized that this is in fact an event that would happen regardless, and having Rumia go out the window would have just delayed it.

But things have moved on to what to do in the wake of this event, since we can only make one choice, a rather heavy one at that at this point.
>> No. 103838
>>103836

I want to think you're joking, but I can't help but feel that you're actually serious that that thread would help.
>> No. 103839
>>103838

It would since I think people would poor their discussion there. Only reason why it didn't have a visible effect is that most of it happened before the thread was set up in words.

And I think we'd see mainly votes and story posts afterwards and the shitstorms would be mostly self-contained.
>> No. 103843
>>103836
>implying that someone cares for /words/
>> No. 103844
>>103839
And then Oceania will no longer be at war with Eastasia, Israel and Palestine will form lasting peace at last, and candy will rain from the sky.
>> No. 103847
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>>103844
Yay! Candy!
>> No. 103848
>>103844
>And then Oceania will no longer be at war with Eastasia, Israel and Palestine will form lasting peace at last, and meatballs will rain from the sky.

Fixed.
>> No. 103849
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103849
Man I'm gonna need a beer before reading the next update... or something...
>> No. 103850
>>103848
That was a nice movie
>> No. 103851
>>103849

Okay you can have the beer and I'll take Komachi.
>> No. 103853
>>103793
>>Should shit suddenly start hitting the fan, it would be easier to apologize to Rumia at a later date. We have the affection and admiration of her "friends", and they know we meant well.

We have the affection and admiration of ONE of her friends, Mystia, but that's basically it. If we're to assume Rumia's circle consists of the standard Nine Squad, we've never even spoken to Wriggle, and Cirno has already made it clear she's not too fond of us. As a friend to both of the girls hurt in this situation, she's pretty much guaranteed to hate our guts no matter who we try to patch things up with.

>>She knows we're involved with Flandre; she probably would have made the same choice.

She's fucking terrified of Flandre. She told Jin's host mother to send her away if she came to prevent her from finding her, and was desperate to hide herself when the little vampire was right outside the door. The only choices Rumia would make involving Flandre in a situation like this would be to keep as much distance from her as possible. I'll be surprised if she even wants to go to school now.

>>In the worst case scenario, she might only forgive us after a danmaku rematch.
A danmaku duel is your idea of a "worst case scenario" for getting Rumia's forgiveness? How about her only forgiving you after she's made a point of doing anything and everything she can in her power to make you feel the level of fear she felt just then, if not towards Flandre than at the very least towards her? We've already seen how much sadistic glee she gains from striking fear into Jin's heart. If you don't take this opportunity to turn her experience into a chance to learn empathy, she's going to turn her experience into justification for payback, and Jin will have to either find someplace else to sleep or get used to not having a peaceful night's rest for a long, long time.

>>Flandre on the other hand would be much harder to apologize to.

I'm inclined to think the reason apologizing to Flandre would be difficult has less to do with her unstable and irrational mind, and more to do with the fact that there's nothing to apologize for. SHE is the one reading too much into a completely innocent situation, and SHE is the one who was intentionally intimidating someone who was clearly afraid of her.
If you go running after her offering apologies, are you not admitting that YOU are the one in the wrong, and that her own behavior was not a problem? More than that, that it was possibly justified?

>>In the worst case scenario, the only way she'd accept our apology would be by making several demands, the bulk of which would take up most of our time and leave us unable to spend it with anyone else.

More importantly, it would show her that you're willing to jump through any hoops she wishes you to, that she can manipulate you, CONTROL you. It will teach her that she can do anything she wants, and you'll let her get away with it.

As for the people attached to each girl, consider that on Rumia's end you have one total stranger, one girl who already doesn't like you very much, and one who DOES like you but has shown she's willing to still go along with what her friends want regardless of what she might think of you, like with that stunt involving the lampreys in the shoes.

Meanwhile, on Flandre's side you have most of the residents of the mansion having done something or another to protect you, even setting aside their own duties and commitments to do so, like when Sakuya blatantly lied to Remilia to cover up the bite.

One side has more people who know and like you than the other does, is more likely to be willing to understand and hear out your side of things, and is probably less inclined to make your life a living hell over this misunderstanding. Rumia, on the other hand, is probably going to be in for a rough ride...

What it all comes down to, I think, is that you can probably fix things up with Rumia by dealing with her directly. Flandre, however, I think you need to get the help of the other residents of the mansion, and explain things to them rather than to her.
>> No. 103854
>>103853

Oh look assumptions. Wasn't it clear that such arguements are useless since we do not have evidence that one path is better than the other, but a matter of what each voter feels is most important.
>> No. 103855
>>103853
Wow, you Rumia fags are still here? Alright, then. Here's to the rest of the thread.

>If we're to assume Rumia's circle consists of the standard Nine Squad
IF WE ARE TO ASSUME. She doesn't seem to be on very friendly terms with anybody.
>Cirno has already made it clear she's not too fond of us.
Again, assuming she's friendly with Rumia, she'd have a hard time choosing between her and Flan. She might confront us, sure. In which case all we can say is that we had to choose one or the other, and it would be the one we're closest with. Us being a friend of her friend, and somewhat okay with her other friend, I really doubt she'd try to attack us.

And if we chose Rumia, do you know how hard it would be to talk to Flan and participate in club activities with Cirno there telling us to get the hell out?
>She's fucking terrified-
I'm going to stop that right there. Of course she's not about to go after Flandre. She would make the same choice between a lover and a friend. Because friendship is easier to patch than love.
>How about her only forgiving you after she's made a point of doing anything and everything she can in her power to make you feel the level of fear she felt just then
Yeah, that's really going to happen. We've dueled her once and asked her never to try and kill us again. If Rumia gets any worse, bye bye sympathy. We'll just let Reimu, Patchouli or Remilia deal with her.
>If you don't take this opportunity to turn her experience into a chance to learn empathy
She's not going to learn anything. Just that we're easy to use.
>she's going to turn her experience into justification for payback,
Or justification to leave him alone. Scary girlfriend alert, and we're too dense.
>and Jin will have to either find someplace else to sleep
Terrorizing villagers, inside the village? That sounds like something punishable by Keine, Reimu, or any of the village youkai hunters.
>or get used to not having a peaceful night's rest for a long, long time.
Oh, please. She lives out in the fucking forest, with other man-eaters in a shroud of pitch black shadow. Flandre isn't about to come looking for her.
>SHE is the one reading too much into a completely innocent situation, and SHE is the one who was intentionally intimidating someone who was clearly afraid of her.
UNintentionally. Why do so many of you assume she was being a bully just because she could? She was scared, confused; she had no other way to deal with the situation. It just came out that way. And why was this? Because SHE DOESN'T FUCKING KNOW ANY BETTER.

And we'd be apologizing for not coming after her and setting things right. For ruining her day with a fucked up situation, because we knew they wouldn't get along. Especially when her sister would probably force us to apologize to her any way we could.
>More importantly, it would show her that you're willing to jump through any hoops she wishes you to, that she can manipulate you, CONTROL you. It will teach her that she can do anything she wants, and you'll let her get away with it.
If we don't go after her now, that is. After we let shit hit the fan. We're not going to be able to back out of this, and her sister won't let us.
>As for the people attached to each girl, consider that on Rumia's end
We can explain things to Mystia. She would understand. Cirno, see my last point.
>Meanwhile, on Flandre's side you have most of the residents of the mansion having done something or another to protect you
Because you're their friend. And Sakuya threatened us, that if we cause too much trouble, she'd have our head.
>One side has more people who know and like you than the other does
It's pretty damn even. The difference being, we stand some chance against one side, with some way to keep them in their place. Flandre may go nuts, Remilia and Sakuya finding no problem to bend the rules.
>What it all comes down to, I think, is that you can probably fix things up with Rumia by dealing with her directly.
We can do just that - at a later date.
>Flandre, however, I think you need to get the help of the other residents of the mansion, and explain things to them rather than to her.
And when Flandre isn't inclined to listen after she's built up a tower of "fuck-you-Jin"? Better to get to her now before no one can.
>> No. 103856
[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
[X] Tell Rumia that you need to make things right; you need to make sure that she will have nothing to fear from Flandre.
-{X} Use the library card. With luck, Flandre will be spending her time alone stewing, and you'll be able to speak to the mansion's other residents before she can.
-{X} Don't forget the book.

Sorry Rumia. I didn't think it would go that badly. Flandre has obvious control issues that need to be dealt with, and they aren't things you can handle on your own. At least, not in your present state.

I think after we comfort Rumia, we should use the library card. If not this vote, then the next one.

There's a few reasons to do this instead of running after Flandre. Firstly, it was Remilia who invited us to stay for the weekend, not Flandre. We also have other business there that can be used as an excuse; that is, training with Patchouli. We could also use her advice certainly, both on what happened as well as approaching Remilia given the present circumstances.

Secondly, I think it would be better to do the reveal to Remilia alone now, definitely before she coaxes out of Flandre what happened. This way we can give her our side of the story first and ask for her advice. We also want to find out what exactly Flandre did to Rumia, as it was ostensibly some kind of magical cowering or compulsion effect. Framing it as Flandre acting in a manner that was over the line (it was) is going to engender empathy from her elder sister, who no doubt has had many such experiences.

Even the pro-Rumia crowd should want to do this as soon as possible, since we need assurance that whatever Flandre did isn't going to have lasting negative effects on her, and we also need assurance that Flandre won't come after her in the future now. Remilia may be the only authority figure who can tell Flandre that harming Rumia is off limits. Like Patchouli said, the best time and place to do this is when Remilia is in place of power, where you are not safe, when you have your back up against the wall, as you do now. That is how you sate her ego--to evoke pity from her, rather than frustration.

Flandre has shown no hesitation in casually lying before. It would be relatively easy for her to construct a situation where she caught us in flagrante delicto or in some other compromising situation to tell her sister about, while emphasizing Rumia's culpability, such that she might get her older sister to dispose of Rumia herself (which I believe Remilia has already offered to do for us on one occasion).

I reiterate that this is not the same as chasing after Flandre, because this isn't something you can smooth over on your own. You have support net already set up in the other residents of SDM. They care about Flandre as much or more than you do. These resources are there to be utilized. You just need to break the truth to them and ask for their help. The most that we should say to Flandre about this, after we've spoken to the other residents, I think, is that her outfit flatters her (she wore it for us), that you're sorry if you made her uncomfortable, and that you ruined your date (say it, 'date') with her, and clarify as to the true nature of you relationship with Rumia (including the spellcard battle, that you and your foster family pity her because she has no family or place to live, and that you won the bet to sketch her). You also want to offer to sketch Flandre herself individually.

The next few minutes should be spent with Rumia simply out of compassion. However, this isn't really damage control, because Rumia is still in danger no matter how we apologize and attempt allay her concerns. Damage control starts when we get to the mansion.
>> No. 103857
Add to my vote, somewhere in the shitstorm:
[X] Tell Rumia that you need to make things right; you need to make sure that she will have nothing to fear from Flandre.
-{X} Use the library card. With luck, Flandre will be spending her time alone stewing, and you'll be able to speak to the mansion's other residents before she can.
-{X} Don't forget the book.
>> No. 103858
>>103856

Yet chances are when the plot starts using up that library card will bite us in the ass down the line.

And being called an idiot by Patchy would come next. (We're the ones who kept a man eater in our house and when offered to remove the problem, we ignored her. Then we use a difficult/costly to make item because of a problem that results of said maneater. She'll be looking at Jin as if he's DoLF Shirou, who is dumber than even memetic dumbass F/SN Shirou)

Trying to play the idort option won't work.
>> No. 103859
>Secondly, I think it would be better to do the reveal to Remilia alone
I don't know... In protection of her little sister, she may demand that we not tell Flandre, lest it emotionally hurt her, especially after all this.
>That is how you sate her ego--to evoke pity from her, rather than frustration.
I'm still not too thoroughly convinced with that state of mind. "You've been lying to me this whole time?!" At least we'd have someone around to stop her from lopping off our head. I'd hope that someone may be Flandre, should we decide to do this in the SDM instead of at school.

Maybe we could ask Patchy to be there when we reveal.
>> No. 103863
>>103858
>Yet chances are when the plot starts using up that library card will bite us in the ass down the line.

I agree, the card is too awesome to use.

You can just ask Patchouli for another one. I doubt she's going to refuse anything to her star pupil, especially when we reveal the gains we've made in the book, as well as the crisis brewing in the mansion.

And if it takes too much out of her, there's always mana transfer.

>And being called an idiot by Patchy would come next.

Yes, but that's a good thing. If anything, our incompetence is going to show Patch we need more help--direct intervention, even. If you think Patchouli is just going to wash her hands of us, you're reading the wrong story. She's already made too large of an investment in us to throw us to the wolves.

>Then we use a difficult/costly to make item because of a problem that results of said maneater.

We use it because of Flandre, not Rumia. If anything, she'll be pissed off later if you tell her that Flandre had an outburst and you didn't immediately tell her about it.

>Trying to play the idort option won't work.

I don't think you know what this means. I reiterate, we're not going after Flandre right now.

Stop treating this like it's an either/or route choice and see that the conflicts with Flandre and Rumia are interrelated. Ignoring Flandre's action now, even if you wanted to go full bore into a Rumia route, is dangerous in the extreme.

>>103859
>I don't know... In protection of her little sister, she may demand that we not tell Flandre, lest it emotionally hurt her, especially after all this.

That would be fine. She is her older sister, so I think we should defer to her expertise on the matter. Remilia's the one we've been dreading to reveal the truth to, not Flandre.

>>103859

>I'm still not too thoroughly convinced with that state of mind. "You've been lying to me this whole time?!" At least we'd have someone around to stop her from lopping off our head. I'd hope that someone may be Flandre, should we decide to do this in the SDM instead of at school.

Why would Remilia lop our head off? If you forgot it was the Flandre who reacted violently with that USO DA when we told her a lie. Morever, it's been Remilia, and the rest of Gensokyo, who has been lying to us. We've had to piece it together, not that they made it very difficult.

And as for Flandre being a stabilizing influence on her sister, haven't you been reading the last few thread? Flandre's actions with us caused her a conniption fit so bad that Sakuya had taken to drugging her.

No, if anything this will reassure her that we're going into this with eyes wide open in interacting with Flandre. If anything, Remilia will be relieved, not betrayed.

Again, Patchouli's advice has never steered us wrong. We should follow it as closely as possible, especially now, when time is of the essence, and we can't afford more half-truths and intimations that we never deliver on.

>Maybe we could ask Patchy to be there when we reveal.

Read over what Patchouli said about revealing to Remilia that we know the truth and see that she almost certainly would turn down such an offer. Not for her well-being, but for our own.

Then again, with the emergent circumstances as they are, Patchouli may in face advise just that. All the more reason to seek her advice ASAP.
>> No. 103864
>>103863

Maybe you're not, but not everyone agrees with that point of view.

I'm not even sure if the vote spam check went through or not.
>> No. 103865
>>Oh look assumptions.
>>Wow, you Rumia fags are still here?
Oh look, irony!

Funny thing is, I've been one of the ones arguing Flandre's case for a good chunk of this story, about how there's more to her than the innocent, naive girl who any chance at romancing would seem creepy and make Jin seem like a kiddie-diddler.

Yet somehow, because I'm not in total agreement with what you seem to think is the best course of action, nor with the justifications people are offering about how one way is "less bad" than the other, I'm somehow now part of "the other side".

It's a funny world we live in.
Anyhoo:

>>IF WE ARE TO ASSUME. She doesn't seem to be on very friendly terms with anybody.
Hey, the guy I was responding to was the one saying:
>>We have the affection and admiration of her "friends", and they know we meant well.
I was merely trying to establish who would logically BE among these friends who supposedly we've won the hearts and minds of, and question whether or not they'd be as understanding as he seemed to think they would be.

>>Us being a friend of her friend, and somewhat okay with her other friend, I really doubt she'd try to attack us.
I never said anything about her attacking us, but you don't have to ATTACK someone to make thinks unpleasant to them. See the lamprey in the shoes stunt Mystia pulled.

>>She would make the same choice between a lover and a friend. Because friendship is easier to patch than love.
Love might be harder to patch up than friendship, but it's also much harder to completely break.

>>We've dueled her once and asked her never to try and kill us again.
Because there aren't more ways to scare the shit out of someone than trying to actually kill them. Right.

>>If Rumia gets any worse, bye bye sympathy. We'll just let Reimu, Patchouli or Remilia deal with her.
And completely defeat the purpose of all of our actions regarding her up to this point, not to mention somewhat go against the character Jin has established for himself by now.
He's shaken off three attempts on his life by Rumia without holding too much ill will towards her, is no more hesitant to hang around with Remilia after she almost splattered him across the front of the school, and didn't think twice about sleeping with Flandre a second time even after all the shit that happened as a result of doing it the first time.
Unless she pulled some seriously heinous stuff, I can't see Jin opting to just cut Rumia loose and throw her under the train like that.

>>She's not going to learn anything. Just that we're easy to use.
Yeah, and Flandre won't learn the same if you just try to apologize for upsetting her. Gotcha.

>>Or justification to leave him alone.
That is certainly possible. Then again, as she seems to have become more distant to her other friends, and they're becoming more involved with Jin as well, that could result in her becoming increasingly isolated.
Not that I would expect something like that to weigh on anyone's conscience or anything.

>>She lives out in the fucking forest, with other man-eaters in a shroud of pitch black shadow. Flandre isn't about to come looking for her.

Let's try to actually READ that part of the sentence again, shall we?
>>Jin will have to either find someplace else to sleep or get used to not having a peaceful night's rest for a long, long time.
All that was talking about was the ways Rumia might continue to screw with Jin, so long as she's staying at his house. It doesn't even have to be anything violent, just things like taking over his bed, or making a point of waking him up every morning by staring him right in the face.

>>UNintentionally. Why do so many of you assume she was being a bully just because she could?
>>Because SHE DOESN'T FUCKING KNOW ANY BETTER.

Bullshit. If there's one thing Flandre knows all too well, it's the look of someone who is afraid of her. You'd have to be blind to not see the state Rumia was in, and yet Flandre not only went along with sitting next to her for that picture, redirecting every question Jin asked her to Rumia, and then topped it off by looking her right in the eyes when she gave her that sweet little "pleased to make your acquaintance".

If there's one thing I've remained firm on, it's the stance that there's more to Flandre than what we've mostly seen, and that she's not the completely pure and naive child she normally behaves as. Her use of that "little girl scared of the dark" act to worm her way into Jin's bed is just further proof of that.

Maybe she really didn't mean to do what she did. It's not impossible, what with her lack of proper social skills. But how can you just dismiss the possibility that she actually DID know what she was doing?

>>And we'd be apologizing for not coming after her and setting things right.
So you'd be apologizing to her for...NOT doing the very thing you ARE doing by going after her and apologizing? What.

>>For ruining her day with a fucked up situation, because we knew they wouldn't get along.

If you knew they wouldn't get along, then why bring them together to ruin her day in the first place?

>>And when Flandre isn't inclined to listen after she's built up a tower of "fuck-you-Jin"?
Which is why I suggest going and explaining yourself to someone she WILL listen to. Even if she shuts out Jin, she won't just shut out her sister or teacher.

I'm not saying DON'T patch things up with Flandre, I'm saying your chances of patching things with her are probably better if you get some backup rather than trying to take on the issue yourself.

Christ, people. I'm not saying it's better to go for Rumia or Flandre. All I'm saying is that Rumia is probably going to be easier to deal with directly, while Flandre needs a little more than direct apologies. I'm not advocating a particular path, here, I'm merely stating what I think a workable approach on each path would be.
>> No. 103866
>>103863
Also, Patchouli knows how we go out of the way for people. She probably would make another card, call us an idiot, and tell us not to use the new one unless we really need to. I doubt she'll be mad or unwilling at all.

>She is her older sister, so I think we should defer to her expertise on the matter.
Family doesn't always know what's best for you, regardless of what they may say.

We need to tell Flandre that we know. That we trust her, that we put our faith in her. That even if she ever becomes a danger to herself or to others, we still love her. Remilia needs to know that conviction as well, so hiding it even further from Flandre would just hurt her and put unnecessary stress on the relationship.
>> No. 103875
>>103865
>IHey, the guy I was responding to was the one saying
Notice the quotation marks there? Yeah. They're more of acquaintances than friends. Especially with how Mystia so easily abandoned her. If she did care at all, we could talk to her.

Cirno isn't a problem, unless she gets between us and Flan. Otherwise, who cares if she tries to get between us and Rumia? Rumia was the one after us, not as we were after Flan. Hell, we may end up with another little sister in our house.
>Love might be harder to patch up than friendship, but it's also much harder to completely break.
And a total shitstorm when you have other people involved.
>Because there aren't more ways to scare the shit out of someone than trying to actually kill them.
We train harder, duel her, and tell her never to come near us or scare us again. Causing trouble in school isn't the best course of action for her, anyway.
>And completely defeat the purpose of all of our actions regarding her up to this point, not to mention somewhat go against the character Jin has established for himself by now.
We felt pity for her. But even pity can be thrown out the window when it's just not worth it.
>Yeah, and Flandre won't learn the same if you just try to apologize for upsetting her. Gotcha.
This is just going in one big circle again. Flandre, close friend. Rumia, murderous little bitch. Two enemies. We're at fault. We may as well have gone behind her back and high-fived Rumia for nearly getting her expelled.
>That is certainly possible. Then again, as she seems to have become more distant to her other friends, and they're becoming more involved with Jin as well, that could result in her becoming increasingly isolated.
We're teaching Mystia. We don't really like Cirno, and vice versa. Assuming she wasn't isolated in the first place, that's her own choice. She needs to learn to live with the consequences.
>Not that I would expect something like that to weigh on anyone's conscience or anything.
Nope. Let her get hit by a truck, then dragged down the road. Someone hand me the popcorn.
>just things like taking over his bed, or making a point of waking him up every morning by staring him right in the face.
Haha, okay? We did consider moving in with the Scarlets, also. It's not as if we can't just kick Rumia out, anyway. If there's a youkai in our house on bad terms with us, we just need to tell our host family of the complications and possible danger.
>But how can you just dismiss the possibility that she actually DID know what she was doing?
I'm not dismissing it entirely. Maybe she did, but it was out of that confusion and fear from which it sprang. With previous points I've made, she was showing considerable restraint for us. In any other situation with differing relationships, it may not have gone so well.
>So you'd be apologizing to her for...NOT doing the very thing you ARE doing by going after her and apologizing? What.
That's if we don't go after her now. Otherwise, no need to apologize for it.
>If you knew they wouldn't get along, then why bring them together to ruin her day in the first place?
And you thought I was one of the ones who voted to bring them together, why?
>Which is why I suggest going and explaining yourself to someone she WILL listen to. Even if she shuts out Jin, she won't just shut out her sister or teacher.
The tower is built after leaving her alone for too long. Then she probably wouldn't listen to reason from anybody.
>All I'm saying is that Rumia is probably going to be easier to deal with directly
Again, doable at a later date.

We could just bow our head to her in class. She's not the one we're after, it won't matter what happens in that twisted little head of hers.
>> No. 103891
Hey, do you guys think we can get this to 400 before Taisa updates again?
>> No. 103895
>>103891
I don't know, maybe.

Want to try?
>> No. 103897
>>103865

Different Person here. Regarding the first part of your post, about the 'irony', I just have to say that it's kinda hard to identify who is who on an anonymous imageboard.

Now, for something related to the constructive discussion shitstorm, when you hurt a woman's feelings, isn't better to go right after her to show that you care about her and not about whatever that hurt her? If you let her go without even trying to apologize, she will just use that to make things worse; she will think you don't care and will cry more.
>> No. 103901
>This is just going in one big circle again. Flandre, close friend. Rumia, murderous little bitch. Two enemies. We're at fault. We may as well have gone behind her back and high-fived Rumia for nearly getting her expelled.

I want to spit in your heart.
>> No. 103902
>>103866
>Family doesn't always know what's best for you, regardless of what they may say.

This family has 500 years more experience dealing with her than we do. Again, in such matters it would be wise to defer to their relative expertise. Telling Remilia that he know better for Flandre than she does is just the kind of hubris that will find Jin without a throat to breathe out of.

Now matter how you slice it, Remilia is the one that needs to be told sooner, because she's the only one among the two who is going to efforts to hide it from Jin, the stress of which (among other things that are Flandre- and Jin-centric) has taken a visible toll on her, unlike Flan who has merely to deal with her own petty jealousies.

>We need to tell Flandre that we know. That we trust her, that we put our faith in her. That even if she ever becomes a danger to herself or to others, we still love her. Remilia needs to know that conviction as well, so hiding it even further from Flandre would just hurt her and put unnecessary stress on the relationship.

Yes we should, but we need advice on the matter. We had asked Patchouli about telling Remilia, but I don't believe we'd discussed telling Flandre. While it doesn't hurt Flandre to not tell her, but not doing so prevents us from calling her on her bullshit, like just now, which is the kind of thing that needs to be addressed as it comes up; otherwise, Flandre will just keep doing it, and she'll simply end up confused when she finds she's alienated Jin as a result.
>> No. 103907
[X] Stay here.
-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
-{X} Hold her, and keep talking to a minimum unless she says something to you first. She's well and truly scared right now - she needs comfort, not a bunch of rationalizations or apologies.
>> No. 103908
[x] Say to Rumia really quick, "I'm sorry..."
[x] Chase after Flandre.
-[x] Offer to walk her home; you had hoped to stay at the mansion for the weekend anyway, right? (But don't mention the second part unless everything goes well)
-[x] Explain that you were just waiting for her to arrive, and that Rumia's just a recently made friend, nothing more at all.
>> No. 103914
>>They're more of acquaintances than friends. Especially with how Mystia so easily abandoned her.

You do remember how just prior to abandoning her, she was fully prepared to help Rumia kill Jin's ass, right? I don't know know about you, but I would think you'd have to be a lot closer to someone than just an "acquaintance" to let them convince you to help them murder someone.

>>We're teaching Mystia.
Two little demonstrations, one of which seemed more about showing off than being instructive, do not lessons make. Unless Mystia's good enough to pick up on what to do just by watching, we have hardly done anything to teach her like we said we would. Granted, it has been a rather hectic week, but it's still not good to make it sound like you're doing something when you've yet to even really start.

>>We don't really like Cirno, and vice versa.
It's not really fair to make that sound like it goes completely both ways when we're the ones who gave her reasons to not like us in the first place. She seemed perfectly civil during the first times we met her, and it's only after repeatedly and consistently snubbing the club that she's grown so cold towards him.

>>We did consider moving in with the Scarlets, also.
Going by the way that suggestion played out in the story, I'm inclined to think that's not a valid option for us.

>>And you thought I was one of the ones who voted to bring them together, why?

I'm sorry, but is it me? Am I really so hard to follow, that I have to break down my own posts to clarify what I was saying? ...well, okay. Maybe so, but all of this "I" and "we" and "you" that keeps getting thrown about doesn't really help matters.

Follow me, here:

This is what (I assume) you posted:
>>And we'd be apologizing for not coming after her and setting things right. For ruining her day with a fucked up situation, because we knew they wouldn't get along.

This was my question regarding the second part of that:
>>If you knew they wouldn't get along, then why bring them together to ruin her day in the first place?

You say we would be apologizing for a situation where we knew they wouldn't get along. My question is: if it was known that they wouldn't get along, then why bring them together in the first place?

I'm not saying you, personally, knew or what-the-fuck-ever you think I think. I'm just asking because, if that IS what the apology is going to include, it might be a good idea to know the answer beforehand because that's exactly the kind of thing Jin would be asked. Sort of like why, when he told Patchouli about the second biting incident, she questioned his decision after everything that happened the first time.

Since I'm clarifying, I would just like to say I'm not against trying to patch things up with Flandre right here and now, I'm not just sure about the way some would go about it. Likewise, I was all for the idea of getting Flandre and Rumia to try to get along, but did not believe that this was the time or place to do it like so many did.

There's actually something I'm hoping for, if we do go after her. It's up to Anon to see whether or not it actually happens, though...

Oh, I would like to add that if Jin IS to go after her, it really would be best to go without any delay. If Flandre knows Jin is following her, it's possible she might hold back from simply flying away, much like she refrained from doing so while the two of them were getting chased by landsharks in the forest. She could still probably out-walk/run Jin, but it'd still be much easier to follow her than it would be if she was airborne AND with a good head-start.

Though it rubs me the wrong way to ditch a scared and crying girl without so much as a word said to her, that is what would have to be done if you're going to do it.
>>103902
>>This family has 500 years more experience dealing with her than we do.

True, but you're forgetting that for a good chunk of that 500 years their idea of "dealing with her" entailed keeping her shackled to her bed and locked up in her cell/bomb-shelter of a "room".
>> No. 103916
ITT: Votespam and proxies.
>> No. 103922
>>103875

Also a totally different anon.

While it may just be because I like Rumia just as much as I like any other character, your post just then fails to persuade me and is a potential cause for me to disregard what you say in the future. Generally I don't like entering these conversations, but a few of your comments have really irked me. The way I see it after going over this tremendously long "discussion," is that your rationale behind voting the way that you have is due to your feelings for Flan and only Flan.

Others have presented logical arguements as to why they feel that their choice is the best and why it would bring about the best results. I've looked at arguements from both sides and agree with a number of them from both as well. Maybe somewhere back there you made a point I found valid. However, your current justification behind these actions have led me to conclude that you are only considering what is the best for Flandre, not for Jin, and definitely not for the story as a whole. Your blatantly clear hatred for Rumia is really not helping your cause. Sure you may not like her and would rather pursue any form of contact with Flandre, but I don't see why you are attacking Rumia with words such as "murderous little bitch." Yes, yes, I know that she may have been a little maneater, but she's a Youkai, just like almost everyone else in this story. Also, she appears to have been warming up to Jin recently, not to mention Jin himself can't seem to help liking her.

>Nope. Let her get hit by a truck, then dragged down the road. Someone hand me the popcorn.

This is most likely what bothers me the most about your comment. This shows to me that for someone who calls Jin her brother, whether she truly means it or is just playing around with us (in a more friendly way), you want to see die. And would greatly enjoy watching it happen. Again, this does not take into account how Jin would feel about something like that happening.

This situation, for the most part is Jin's fault. Sure it may have been inescapable like some people have validly pointed out, but this most likely isn't the best way it could have happened. Just as much as we forced Flandre to confront Rumia and get along with her, we forced Rumia to stay when she clearly wanted to flee. While leaving either girl clearly shows something about our character and what we find important or more logical, your intentions seem to tell me that you are doing this solely because you hate Rumia and want more Flan time. This is what does not set well with me, especially after many people have said repeatedly that the best thing to do for the sake of both girls is to talk to Rumia for at least a little bit, and then confront Flandre, preferably with the help of other SDM residents.

While I may be making many major assumptions that I would like to apologize for despite it being justified since this is a shitstorm, I feel your reasoning behind what you have said disrespects what others are trying to do.
>> No. 103929
>>103901
I want to piss in yours.
>>103902
>This family has 500 years more experience dealing with her than we do.
Yeah, they locked her in a fucking basement and had shackles on her bed. Maybe back then it was a good thing, but now? That door can be easily opened, and she no longer destroys her things. Yet she's still in a dank cellar, with nothing more than a small bed.
>but not doing so prevents us from calling her on her bullshit
Her bullshit started the first time we crawled in her bed. Fresh blood after so long. I believe we're at fault, again.

>>103914
>I would think you'd have to be a lot closer to someone than just an "acquaintance" to let them convince you to help them murder someone.
THEY'RE FUCKING YOUKAI, and we're meals on wheels. Gensokyo High wasn't established years ago, but just recently. They still have their predator instincts. To youkai, asking them to go hunt a particular challenging or dangerous human is even better game, because they gain more fear from it when they finally have that prey cornered. "Yo, dawg. Wanna kill some hyoomans?" - "Pfft, hells yeah." Yes. Ghetto youkai. I so went there.

Not to mention, Mystia ran away just because we promised her guitar lessons. Would you do that to a friend, what the Prismrivers could just as easily do? If not with a guitar, but even any other instrument?

I think not.
>Two little demonstrations
And some of the basics. However, she loved our music. She also ran before we ever gave said half-assed teaching. See my last point.
>it's only after repeatedly and consistently snubbing the club
Not just that. When you put in a logical, mature guy with two little girls, one of whom thinks she's the strongest and the smartest, anything you say is liable to offend.
>I'm inclined to think that's not a valid option for us.
You never know. If we ever get around to apologizing to Flan, we may open that option up again.
>Maybe so, but all of this "I" and "we" and "you" that keeps getting thrown about doesn't really help matters
"We" = Jin. Or anon as a whole. You don't always hear people blaming the protagonist for stupid shit, therefore you blame anon, and include yourself. That is unless you go out of the way to say "All the rest of you fuckheads, but not me". "You" and "I" is just you and I. Singular.
>without so much as a word said to her
Hey, now. The winning Flandre vote has a grand total of two words spoken to her. That's gotta count for something.

>>103922
Because after this long shitstorm, I come out with a colder heart and a battered mind. I'm no longer interested in helping Rumia. If you are, if Jin is, that's fine. I will continue going along with those whims. We are on Flandre route, therefore I pursue what is best for that route. I'm tired of the constant headache and passive bullshit of tip-toeing around the long ago chosen target and running off every time something else piques your interest or makes you feel guilty. We'd have never gone after Mystia had we not feared Rumia tag-teaming us. It was necessary for not getting killed. Had this never been the case, I would not have wasted my time getting to know any other characters that would make the route even harder.

But after all this, not only do I really not care for either character, I don't really think I enjoy Rumia anymore. At least not this Rumia.

This is still a good story, and I will continue reading it. I can only hope for a Sakuya or Patchouli route if there is ever a second run.

Now that I think about it, I need to spend less time around anonymous, because I know this is never going to change. Why the fuck am I here? I shouldn't even be arguing. I got pissed off at one guy, and now I'm half-responsible for the newest shitstorm. Something I have never been a part of until now.

But I'm too stubborn to quit now. Until the next update, I will continue to argue so long as there is someone trying to persuade voters to lean towards Rumia. Because maybe not all, but at least one of you is biased. You're the one I'm arguing with, and I will argue with other, non-biased people, if it helps kill your ambition.
>> No. 103930
>I don't really think I enjoy Rumia anymore. At least not this Rumia.

Why?
>> No. 103932
>>THEY'RE FUCKING YOUKAI, and we're meals on wheels. Gensokyo High wasn't established years ago, but just recently. They still have their predator instincts. To youkai, asking them to go hunt a particular challenging or dangerous human is even better game, because they gain more fear from it when they finally have that prey cornered. "Yo, dawg. Wanna kill some hyoomans?" - "Pfft, hells yeah." Yes. Ghetto youkai. I so went there.

Yes, they're youkai, just like a good chunk of the rest of the student body are. Yet, I seriously doubt Rumia would have been as likely to recruit any of them in her quest to kill the new kid as she was with Mystia, and that's partially due to the fact that the non-youkai segment of the student body consists of two people who can (and have) exterminated them in the past and would probably have no qualms about doing so again.

Yet, despite this knowledge, Rumia not only got Mystia to agree to help her double-team the new guy, she got him to do so right in front of the school. Making a clean kill probably wasn't too high on Rumia's list of priorities by that point, and considering how likely it was that at least SOMEONE would take notice of the sudden and mysterious disappearance of the only male student in class, it's probably not too much of a stretch to think that they'd also probably guess that the signs of blood in front of the school are probably connected.

Even if they still have their predatory instincts, they also must have some semblance of a survival instinct, as we clearly saw in Rumia just now. If anything should have been setting off the self-preservation alarm bells, it would be the prospect of getting found out as the killer of the new teacher's pet by said teacher(s) and the career youkai exterminators in the class, to say nothing of what would happen if the two vampires he had become so close with were to find out.

>>Not to mention, Mystia ran away just because we promised her guitar lessons. Would you do that to a friend, what the Prismrivers could just as easily do? If not with a guitar, but even any other instrument?

Technically, she ran away because we guilt-tripped her about the promise to give her guitar lessons, even referring to her with something of a nickname while doing so. Seeing as she never had much reason to want the guy dead to begin with, I don't see why that wouldn't have convinced her to back off if she had even the slightest hint of a conscience in her, which she clearly did.


>>"We" = Jin. Or anon as a whole. You don't always hear people blaming the protagonist for stupid shit, therefore you blame anon, and BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH

Annnnnnnnd once again you are focusing on completely the wrong part of what I said, and not in any way answering the question that I asking you, even after taking great pains to clarify myself.

You're doing this deliberately, aren't you?
>> No. 103935
After FINALLY finding a mod willing to wade through this mess and check for votespam (not a lot of it, by the way), I'm calling it.

>[X] Stay here.
>-{X} Comfort Rumia. You can't blame her for this outcome, since you were the one who refused to let her hide anyway.
>-{X} Hold her, and keep talking to a minimum unless she says something to you first. She's well and truly scared right now - she needs comfort, not a bunch of rationalizations or apologies.
>> No. 103936
>>103930
I don't know. Maybe this discussion got me thinking about the whole thing. It turned into a clusterfuck and blew up. I don't know when it was, but I got sick of that whole tsundere thing a long time ago. I'm tired of constantly reading how Rumia is depicted as an uncaring little snot that constantly wants to eat and kill everything in her path - be it friend or foe - and when she can't, she tortures them in any way she can. I know wishing for anything else would just be out of character, but I can't help but feel that way.

What's even worse, this one is a sloppy, selfish, egotistical homewrecker that gets pissed just because we don't find her malicious antics to be funny. Then she has the nerve to think we're nice because we didn't wish anything bad on her, self-proclaims rivalry, acts like our younger sibling, then waltzes in and takes over our house without a shred of remorse, finally freaking out or showing guilt whenever there's a slight chance of karma biting her in the ass.

I just can't put up with that anymore.


>>103932
>Yet, despite this knowledge, Rumia not only got Mystia to agree to help her double-team the new guy, she got him to do so right in front of the school.
The school is detached from the rest of the village, if I'm not mistaken. And Jin went home late. Therefore he's fair game to whoever, or whatever, wants him dead.
>Technically, she ran away because we guilt-tripped her about the promise to give her guitar lessons
I can't imagine anybody feeling guilt over such a small thing. Something that could have been an empty promise by a stranger who just wanted to get her off of his back. Especially enough to turn down a friend then and there when you're about to get into a fight. One we may have lost. OH, THAT'S RIGHT!
>if she had even the slightest hint of a conscience in her
SHE WOULD NOT HAVE LEFT US TO DIE! At that point, no one knew that Jin was able to defend himself. So instead of trying to talk Rumia out of it, she ran away.

She doesn't deserve our sympathy, either. With how she avoids everything, and how Rumia treats not only her, but us as well, then that isn't called friendship.

That's called bullying.
>You're doing this deliberately, aren't you?
Perhaps. But to answer the question you so patiently waited for, it's because Jin is an idiot who wants to make everybody happy. He can only do so much, though. That other anon was right; we may as well be Shirou.

And we couldn't have put it off forever. Flandre would have eventually found out about Rumia. Maybe not in our room, but even at school. They don't like each other, and it was a futile attempt to bring peace. That's exactly the way Jin's mind works.
>> No. 103938
>>103935
[x] Question the validity of that statement, the possible bias of the mod, and the sanity of the writer.
[x] Also assume that imposters or secret military organizations are the cause of this, and that most of the voters were bitten by radioactive zombies.

Oh, well~
>> No. 103940
>>103936
You are an angry little man.
>> No. 103941
[x] Pray it isn't as bad as everyone though.
-[x] If not prepare for the derailing mother of all shitstorms
--[x] Note it down as something that went worse than any other trainwreck as well as reason why route locks are a good thing.
--[x] Find a fiddle and play it
>> No. 103942
>>103935

You should put in a maximum vote limit per update, so just in case we have another situation where the vote doesn't sit well with the Church of Flandre, we won't have another wasted thread like this.
>> No. 103945
>>103942
So, whoever votes the fastest, wins?
>> No. 103946
>>103942

Great way to make even more shitstorms.

Better idea: some kind of route rock so the tide pissers can't derail the story (though with the way this vote went, there's a very high chance they've succeeded already.)
>> No. 103948
>>103942
Or the Cult of Rumia. Just because that option won, doesn't mean there wasn't any votespam for it.

Besides, you can limit votes. The only way to do so would be limiting posts. Posts per IP. Which I don't think is even possible to implement on an imageboard. Also futile, with all of the proxies out there.
>> No. 103949
>>103948
>Just because that option won, doesn't mean there wasn't any votespam for it.

There wasn't. There was votespam for the chase-after-Flandre option.
>> No. 103951
>>103945

Something like that. Though in retrospect, that might cause more arguments, especially if the choices are like the one in this thread, where both options have the possibility of backfiring horribly.

Although I will still say some (not all) Flandre fans were being obnoxious and kept trying to show their character as superior, thus legnthening the arugment; people from the opposite side kept responding , thus feuling the fire. The whole argument became pointless bickering a long time ago, and it never should have been alowed to continue. I'm not exactly sure what can be done to keep this from happening again, but it should be addressed; and this is coming from someone who LOVES shitstorms.

>>103946

Route-locks fine, but it wouldreall, REALLY be boring as fuck if the only way to win was to choose "X" girl's options everytime. I say this because many anons here are generally trying really hard to do exactly that in many options that deal with Flandre.

I really have no problem with Flandre here, and the fact that she's actually showing behavior beyond "pure, innocent, and misunderstood" is starting to make her more interesting. I just don't think dropping everything and attatching yourself to her leg everytime she appears is that reat of an idea, and makes for a boring story. It's just an opinion, no need to shitstorm over it.
>> No. 103952
>>103949
>There was votespam for the chase-after-Flandre option.

Figures. Flan Fags are agressive people, they beat little kittens.
>> No. 103953
>>103949

I for one find that terribly ironic, after all the crap the Rumia voters got from the Flandre voters about this issue.
>> No. 103954
>>103951

It didn't help that 'talking with other people' ended up in neglecting the club we made.

And it doesn't help that the tide pissers go at great lengths to derail things.

As far as what happened here, I think some people, even flan fans considered Rumia more important at the moment and that perhaps there's no harm in letting Flan cool off.

Not a bad way of thinking except for who's writing this: A loon that loves shitstorms and drama.

I could be wrong here, but considering it's him that writing this, we should have seen any peacemaking option at this point to be an absolute failure.
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>>103935
>finding a mod willing to wade through this mess and check for votespam

Gods, that must have sucked.
>> No. 103961
>>103952
Oh go blow it out your ass. You think that justifies your opinions?

It figures Rumia fags would use whatever they could get their hands on to make themselves look better. They resemble the character they worship so well...
>> No. 103962
>>103954
>Not a bad way of thinking except for who's writing this: A loon that loves shitstorms and drama.
Every time I read a comment like this, I find myself wondering which story you people are reading.
>> No. 103963
>>103962

Well look at how things been going, Taisa made lots of minor one or the other choices (aka prime shitstorm fodder) intentionally to see the shitstorms play out. It's just that this time he decided to do things as such as to have a potientally MASSIVE choice.
>> No. 103965
>>103962
You're not the only one. The only reason there are so many shit storms is because anon overreacts every time there is a plot twist they dislike. Even when it is what makes most sense.
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>>103961
>> No. 103968
Well, shit sucks. Now, just how are we going to fix thing up with Flandre?
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>>103967
>> No. 103973
>>103968

First we should worry about if we'd get a chance then we can tackle the task of how to do it, that is if the Rumia fans don't further derail things.
>> No. 103976
Rumia fans: "If we can't have Rumia, then we won't let you have Flandre!"

This is what I see it coming down to.
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>>103976

IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!!
>> No. 103978
>>103976
>Rumia fans: "If we can't have Rumia, then we won't let you have Flandre!"

A harem ending would fix that kind of problem.
>> No. 103979
Okay, seriously now. Thread lock please. Even i am annoyed by that now and i just hope the new Thread will not continue the whole thing.
>> No. 103980
>>103976

Rumia fans are only setting themselves up for failure.

They cannot win.
>> No. 103981
>>103980

Depends on how things progress from here, since this choice winning might give them a real foot hold.

>>103979

That mainly depends if Taisa ends up royally trolling both groups by having Rumia faking it all the long or prefering to be left alone.
>> No. 103982
>>103979
>>103981
You really shouldn't be encouraging people.
>> No. 103983
>>103982

I don't think it's possible to encourage people more than Taisa has.

If things play out like the Rumia voters think exactly, then things will calm down. If not...
>> No. 103986
Update in /at/. A short Satori scene.
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Seems we've all cooled down for now. I'll get something written when I get back home.

Have a Rumia. Play nice.
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>>103961
>> No. 104024
>>104022